After Dell, Hp and even Macs, I have decided Sony

DfgDfg Admin
edited September 2012 in Tech & Games
Wanted to go with Samsung but they don't offer much options and Sony is stylish and a known brand, although some people hate it and it's known to be quite EVIL when it comes to it's user base but it does make some decent Laptops. Following are my shortlisted choices.

[h=1]Sony Vaio F23EFX[/h]
[h=3]Specifications[/h]


Series
F Series


Original OS
Windows 7 Home Premium


Color
Matt Black


Processor Type

Intel Core i7



Processor Speed
2.20 GHz


Processor Turbo
Up to 3.10 GHz


Processor Cache
6 MB


Processor Model
i7-2670QM


RAM Capacity
4 GB


RAM Type
DDR3


Hard Disk Capacity
500 GB


HDD RPM
7200


HDD Interface
SATA


Screen Size
16.4 inch


Screen Type
LED


Screen Resolution
1920 x 1080


Graphics
NVIDIA GeForce GT 540M


Video Memory
1 GB


Optical Drive
DVD Super Multi


USB Ports
3


Bluetooth
Yes


Webcam
Yes


Wi-Fi
Yes


HDMI
Yes


BackLit Keyboard
Yes


Fingerprint Reader
No


Ethernet Card
10/100/1000


Battery Cells
6


Dimension
15.69" (W) x 1.31" - 1.70" (H) x 10.69" (D)


Weight
6.85 lbs



[h=3]Overview[/h]
Work hard, play harder.

CHOOSE YOUR OWN DIMENSION.
Get HD entertainment that goes wherever you do, all wrapped up in a high-octane laptop that was born to perform. Boasting an optional 16.4' Full HD 1080p widescreen display, you can view your movies in crystal-clear high def, plus juggle multiple web pages and photos with ease. Or choose an available 16' 3D-enabled model to get immersed in amazing 3D DVD Disc movies, or convert 2D video into 3D with the push of a button-then enjoy it all with the included 3D glasses.



'It's pretty much the multimedia laptop of the year.' Engadget, VAIO F Series, Jan. 5, 2011.
PURE POWER.
Tackle everything multimedia with warp speed and responsiveness. Featuring a top-of-the-line 2nd generation Intel Core i7 quad core processor, NVIDIA graphics, up to 8GB of RAM and a 7200rpm hard drive or optional solid state drive, this laptop packs serious firepower. Pick an application-it'll handle it with ease. Editing HD video? No problem. Gaming? Just switch to 2D mode and hang on. Plus, an available 750GB6 hard drive provides plenty of room for all your videos, music, photos and files.



SENSATIONAL SOUND.418924_183275005108928_100002792897202_199411_1712051513_n.jpg
Who says you need a complete home theater system to enjoy amazing audio? With Dolby Home Theater technology v4 and an advanced set of audio tools, you'll be blown away by simulated 5-channel surround sound and an extended stereo effect. And with bass-boosting speakers seamlessly built in to the integrated speaker bar, you get incredible audio in a portable package.


SEE THE LIGHT.
Working late tonight? The backlit keyboard features LED illumination for a remarkable view of the keys. Perfect for typing in bed with the lights turned down, a pleasant glow shines through the characters themselves as well as between the keys-framing them with soft illumination that helps minimize typos. An ambient light sensor even automatically turns the backlight on or off based on the light around you.
SPARK YOUR CREATIVITY.

Select F Series come with Imagination Studio Multimedia Edition software free of charge to make creating HD movies, mixing music you've recorded and finding ways to share your creations easier than ever. Edit HD video with award-winning Vegas Movie software and check out hundreds of built-in video and audio effects. Record, edit and sweeten live audio on your home computer with Sound Forge or use ACID Music Studio to turn your F Series into the ultimate home studio. After you've achieved the perfect mix, burn CDs, DVDs or format files to share online and load onto your favorite portable players.

INTEL'S LATEST.
Whether it's HD or 3D, multitasking or multimedia, this processor handles it all with headroom to spare. Its 2nd generation Intel Core i7 quad core processor is complemented by Intel Turbo Boost Technology 2.04 which adapts to your tasks automatically for maximum performance when you need it. And with four cores available (as opposed to two), you can move between applications quickly with even more power at your fingertips.



GRAPHICAL GREATNESS.
Perfect for responsive game play or serious multitasking, dedicated graphics come courtesy of NVIDIA GeForce GT540M graphics with up to 1GB of VRAM on select models. As if this PC didn't already have power to spare, these graphics help ensure that when it comes to heavy lifting, the F Series is ready to go.



NEW HD WEB CAMERA.
The F Series features an HD web camera powered by an Exmor image sensor which allows for great low-light performance. Keep in touch with family, friends and coworkers, and enjoy a more casual conversation with face tracking technology, which allows the camera to automatically adjust focus and follow you as you move around while video chatting.



HDMI 3D OUTPUT.
Effortlessly transmit your 2D or 3D content to a compatible HDTV or 3D HDTV via the HDMI output (cable and additional 3D glasses sold separately). This means that any Full HD content you can enjoy on your PC-videos, DVD Disc or 3D movies, internet TV-can be output in crystal-clear resolution for an even more immersive experience9.



CONNECT TO SONY.
Forget purchasing additional accessories to help navigate menus and options within your PS3 system, connected BRAVIA television or DVD Disc player. Sony's Remote Keyboard bridges the gap and allows you to wirelessly pair your VAIO PC's keyboard and touchpad with a bevy of Sony connected devices and use it to quickly and easily navigate menus, browse the internet and enter text.



SERIOUS CONNECTIONS.
Along with the requisite USB ports and media slots, the F Series has two USB 3.0 ports, allowing you to easily connect a compatible external hard drive for faster and more efficient data transfer. It is also equipped with Bluetooth technology. Connect compatible mice, headphones and other Bluetooth-enabled devices without having to hassle with cords and cables.
IN-HOME SERVICE.
We'll come to you. There's nothing standard about the standard Sony limited warranty on VAIO computers. To give you the ultimate in speedy and convenient service, we come to you to repair PC issues whenever possible5. Not many other PC manufacturers can match our expertise or comprehensive level of in-home support.
ACCESSORIZE YOUR LAPTOP.
Do more with your F Series laptop. Explore a wide variety of essential add-ons like cases, mice, bags and more.

Dive in.
Immerse yourself in a whole new realm of entertainment when you choose an F Series model with 3D-capabilities. Pair it with a 3D-enabled Bloggie or Cyber-shot camera, or press the laptop's 3D button to convert standard HD video, DVDs or DVD Disc content to amazing 3D-in real time, with no need to reboot. Your photos and videos will pop off the screen with the clarity and precision of Full HD 1080p.

[h=1]Sony Vaio | S15 113FX - Silver[/h]


[TH="class: label mso_parentattrib"]sku[/TH]
027242850811-S15113FXS


[TH="class: label mso_parentattrib"]Brand[/TH]
Sony


[TH="class: label mso_parentattrib"]Series[/TH]
Sony Vaio. S Series


[TH="class: label mso_parentattrib"]Model[/TH]
SVS15113FXS


[TH="class: label mso_parentattrib"]OS Version[/TH]
Windows 7 Home Premium


[TH="class: label mso_parentattrib"]Processor[/TH]
Intel Core i5 ivy


[TH="class: label mso_childattrib"]Processor Speed[/TH]
2.5 / 3.1 GHz, c2, i5-3210M


[TH="class: label mso_childattrib"]Processor Cache[/TH]
3 MB


[TH="class: label mso_parentattrib"]Screen Size[/TH]
15.5" Widescreen


[TH="class: label mso_childattrib"]Max Resolution[/TH]
1920 x 1080 :Full HD


[TH="class: label mso_childattrib"]Screen Type[/TH]
Backlit, LED


[TH="class: label mso_parentattrib"]RAM[/TH]
6 GB


[TH="class: label mso_childattrib"]RAM Type[/TH]
DDR3


[TH="class: label mso_childattrib"]Maximum RAM[/TH]
12 GB


[TH="class: label mso_parentattrib"]Hard Drive[/TH]
640 GB


[TH="class: label mso_childattrib"]Hard Drive RPM[/TH]
5400 rpm


[TH="class: label mso_parentattrib"]Optical Drive[/TH]
Multiformat DVD Writer


[TH="class: label mso_childattrib"]Drive Capability[/TH]
Capable of Reading & Writing DVDs and CDs


[TH="class: label mso_parentattrib"]Graphics Card[/TH]
nVidia Graphics


[TH="class: label mso_childattrib"]Graphics Memory[/TH]
1 GB Dedicated


[TH="class: label mso_childattrib"]Graphics Card Detail[/TH]
NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 640M LE


[TH="class: label mso_parentattrib"]Communication[/TH]
LAN, WiFi


[TH="class: label mso_parentattrib"]Extras[/TH]
Webcam, Bluetooth, Backlit Keyboard


[TH="class: label mso_parentattrib"]Audio[/TH]
Intel® High Definition Audio with Dolby® Home Theater® Technology v4


[TH="class: label mso_parentattrib"]External Ports[/TH]
USB 2.0 & 3.0, VGA, HDMI, RJ45 (LAN), Mic, Headphone


[TH="class: label mso_childattrib"]Total USB Ports[/TH]
3


[TH="class: label mso_parentattrib"]Dimension[/TH]
14.97" (W) x 0.95" (H) x 10.06" (D)


[TH="class: label mso_parentattrib"]Weight[/TH]
4.42 lbs


[TH="class: label mso_parentattrib"]Manufacturer Link[/TH]
Additional Information


[TH="class: label mso_parentattrib"]Warranty[/TH]
1 Year Myshop Warranty, 1 Year International / Manufacturer's Warranty


[TH="class: label mso_parentattrib"]Color[/TH]
Silver


[TH="class: label mso_parentattrib"]Retail Price[/TH]
Rs 124,500


[TH="class: label mso_parentattrib"]Availability[/TH]
Out of Stock


Online prices, specifications, description and images generally match our retail stores, but may vary and are subject to change without notice. MyShop cannot be held liable for errors or omissions.

Please verify the specifications at the time of purchase. No claim whatsoever would be accepted in case of specification error/mismatch, once the product is sold.
At just 4.42 lbs., the VAIO® S Series 15 laptop offers stepped up performance,
all day mobility in a sleek, full-flat design. Features like Full HD display with
IPS technology, slot-loading optical drive, large clickable touchpad and
backlit keyboard are standard. Get even longer battery life with the optional
extended sheet battery. Equipped with a 3rd generation Intel® Core™ i5
processor, a NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 640M LE graphics card and 6GB of
memory, the S Series is an ideal solution for your mobile computing needs.

With uncompromising attention to detail and a passion for design, Sony introduces
the next generation VAIO® S Series laptop. Simple yet bold, with a lightweight, highly
durable magnesium alloy lid, the S Series features a full-flat design concept that
abandons traditional bulky batteries, unnecessary seams and protruding ports and trays
with a slot-loading optical drive.

With Sony’s own Rapid Wake technology, you never have to shut down your computer
again. Whether you are done working for the day or just heading out to get some
coffee, simply close the lid to put your PC into sleep mode. Then, when you’re ready to
start again, resume in 2 seconds with your data safe and secure. If you are unplugged,
don’t worry about draining your battery. Your PC can stay in sleep mode for days.

Uniquely smart and easy-to-use, PlayMemories Home™ software makes organizing,
editing and sharing your photos and videos a cinch. Instantly import and sort your
content by event or date. Then transform your favorites from ordinary to extraordinary
with intuitive adjustments and stunning filters. You can even create heartwarming
slide-shows complete with transitions and soundtracks in 3 simple steps. Finally, share
your picks privately with family and friends or on popular social networking sites like
Facebook® and YouTube™. PlayMemories Online™ service can even securely store
your content in the cloud allowing virtually all of your devices to access it anytime,
anyplace.

Sony Imagination Studio™ VAIO® Edition includes four powerful Sony® applications:
Vegas®, ACID®, Sound Forge® and DVD Architect® software so you can create music
and movies like never before.

The multi-gesture touchpad is the most intuitive way to interact with your laptop. Scroll
with two fingers, pinch to zoom in and out of images, swipe to flip through pages
or photos, and you can even rotate an image, and much more. And rather than
clicking on a button, just click on the left or right mouse areas in order to activate those
functions.



[h=1]Sony Vaio VPC F23EFX/B[/h]
[h=2]Specification[/h]


[TH="class: tab_top, colspan: 2"]General Specs[/TH]


Processor Type
Intel® Core i7


Processor Speed
2.2GHz


Hard drive size info_1.png
500GB


Installed RAM
4GB


Screen size
16.4 Inches


Operating system (Primary)
Windows 7 Home Premium


[TH="class: h2, colspan: 2"] Processor[/TH]


Processor Type
Intel® Core i7


Processor Model
i7-2670QM


Processor Speed
2.2GHz


Max Turbo Frequency
3.1GHz


Processor Bits
64-Bits


Processor Threads
8


No of Cores
4


L2 cache



L3 cache
6MB


Bus speed info_1.png



Chipset



[TH="class: h2, colspan: 2"] Memory[/TH]


Number of memry slots
2 Slots


Installed RAM
4GB


Maximum memory
8GB


Type of memory
DDR3


[TH="class: h2, colspan: 2"] Storage[/TH]


Hard drive size info_1.png
500GB


Hard drive speed
7200rpm


Optical Drive info_1.png
Yes


Type of optical drive info_1.png
Super Multi Drive


Internal/External
Internal


Type of harddrive
SATA


Card Reader
Yes


Type of memory cards
Multimedia cards


SSD



Number of SSDs



SSD size



[TH="class: h2, colspan: 2"] Graphics[/TH]


Dedicated graphics
Yes


Graphics memory
1GB dedicated


Type of graphics memory
DDR3


Switchable graphics



Graphics processor
NVIDIA® GeForce® GT 540M


Maximum shared graphics memory



[TH="class: h2, colspan: 2"] Display[/TH]


Aspect ratio
16:9


Backlight
LED


Screen size
16.4 Inches


Screen surface
Full HD


Screen resolution info_1.png
1920 x 1080


Touchscreen info_1.png
No


[TH="class: h2, colspan: 2"] Design[/TH]


Colors
Matte Black


Dimensions (WxHxD)
15.69


Weight info_1.png
6.85 lbs


Fingerprint Reader
No


Numeric keyboard
No


Backlit keyboard info_1.png
Yes


[TH="class: h2, colspan: 2"] Connectivity[/TH]


3G
No


EDGE
No


Bluetooth
Yes


Type of bluetooth



LAN
Yes


Speed
10/100/1000


Modem
No


Wireless/Wifi info_1.png
Yes


Type
802.11 b/g/n


Infrared
No


[TH="class: h2, colspan: 2"] Connectors[/TH]


DVI out
No


eSATA
No


Firewire
No


Headphone output
Yes


Microphone input
Yes


Parallel port
No


S/PDIF out info_1.png
No


Serial port
No


TV-out
No


USB
Yes


USB 2.0
Yes


USB 3.0
Yes


USB Ports (Total) info_1.png
4


HDMI info_1.png
Yes


Number of outputs
1


HDMI version



VGA Output info_1.png
Yes


[TH="class: h2, colspan: 2"] Power[/TH]


Battery life
2-3 Hours


Battery type info_1.png
Lithium-Ion (Li-Ion) battery


No of cells
6 Cells


[TH="class: h2, colspan: 2"] Miscellaneous[/TH]


Camera
Yes


No. of effective pixels
1.3 megapixels


Remote Control
No


[TH="class: h2, colspan: 2"] Software[/TH]


32/64-bit OS
64-Bits


Operating system (Primary)
Windows 7 Home Premium


OS (Secondary)



Included software



[TH="class: h2, colspan: 2"] Links[/TH]


Manual



Product page



Warranty
1 Year International Warranty



[h=1]Sony Vaio F232FX[/h]


Processor Type
Intel Core i7


Processor Speed
2.2 GHz


Hard drive size info_1.png
500GB


Installed RAM
4 GB


Screen size
16.4 in


Operating system (Primary)
Windows 7 Home Premium


[TH="class: h2, colspan: 2"] Processor[/TH]


Processor Type
Intel Core i7


Processor Model
i7-2670QM


Processor Speed
2.2 GHz


Max Turbo Frequency
3.1 GHz


Processor Bits
64-Bits


Processor Threads
8


No of Cores
4


L2 cache



L3 cache
6MB


Bus speed info_1.png



Chipset



[TH="class: h2, colspan: 2"] Memory[/TH]


Number of memry slots
2 Slots


Installed RAM
4 GB


Maximum memory
8GB


Type of memory
DDR3


[TH="class: h2, colspan: 2"] Storage[/TH]


Hard drive size info_1.png
500GB


Hard drive speed
7200 rpm


Optical Drive info_1.png
Yes


Type of optical drive info_1.png
Blu-Ray Player


Internal/External
Internal


Type of harddrive
SATA


Card Reader
Yes


Type of memory cards
Memory Stick Duo,SD Memory Card


SSD



Number of SSDs



SSD size



[TH="class: h2, colspan: 2"] Graphics[/TH]


Dedicated graphics
Yes


Graphics memory
512 MB dedicated


Type of graphics memory
DDR3


Switchable graphics



Graphics processor
NVIDIA GeForce GT 520M


Maximum shared graphics memory



[TH="class: h2, colspan: 2"] Display[/TH]


Aspect ratio
16:9


Backlight
LED


Screen size
16.4 in


Screen surface
HD


Screen resolution info_1.png
1920 x 1080


Touchscreen info_1.png
No


[TH="class: h2, colspan: 2"] Design[/TH]


Colors
Black


Dimensions (WxHxD)
15.69


Weight info_1.png
6.85 lbs


Fingerprint Reader
No


Numeric keyboard
Yes


Backlit keyboard info_1.png
No


[TH="class: h2, colspan: 2"] Connectivity[/TH]


3G
No


EDGE
No


Bluetooth
Yes


Type of bluetooth
2.1


LAN
Yes


Speed
10/100


Modem
No


Wireless/Wifi info_1.png
Yes


Type
802.11 b/g/n


Infrared
No


[TH="class: h2, colspan: 2"] Connectors[/TH]


DVI out
No


eSATA
No


Firewire
No


Headphone output
Yes


Microphone input
Yes


Parallel port
No


S/PDIF out info_1.png
No


Serial port
No


TV-out
No


USB
Yes


USB 2.0
Yes


USB 3.0
Yes


USB Ports (Total) info_1.png
2


HDMI info_1.png
Yes


Number of outputs



HDMI version



VGA Output info_1.png
Yes


[TH="class: h2, colspan: 2"] Power[/TH]


Battery life
2-3 Hours


Battery type info_1.png
Lithium-Ion (Li-Ion) battery


No of cells
6 Cells


[TH="class: h2, colspan: 2"] Miscellaneous[/TH]


Camera
Yes


No. of effective pixels



Remote Control
No


[TH="class: h2, colspan: 2"] Software[/TH]


32/64-bit OS
64-Bits


Operating system (Primary)
Windows 7 Home Premium


OS (Secondary)



Included software



[TH="class: h2, colspan: 2"] Links[/TH]


Manual



Product page



Warranty
1 Year International warranty




All of them fall under 1200 Dollars. I am mostly interested in two things: A) Screen Size/Resolution (1080p is a MUST) B) Integrated GPU (NVIDIA is a requirement).

This rig will be my portable workstation which will be used for videos, coding, writing and working while I am in the University. These are my preferred choice if the funds are short, I will either wait or lower the price to 900 or below or even 700 for the start and then later upgraded to these beasts in future.


What are your thoughts?

Comments

  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited August 2012
    Overpriced POS, get a Toshiba or an acer and you will get the same amount of bang for less buck.
  • DfgDfg Admin
    edited August 2012
    Overpriced POS, get a Toshiba or an acer and you will get the same amount of bang for less buck.

    Checked them, not really available here. But Acer hmm

    Model

    5755G-2674G50MN



    Brand

    Acer



    Series

    Aspire



    Operating System

    Windows 7 Premium



    Processor

    Intel Core i7-2670M (2.2GHz / 6MB Cache)



    Ram

    4GB DDR3



    Hard Drive

    500GB HDD



    Optical Drive

    DVD Super Multi



    Communication Devices

    Wireless, LAN , Bluetooth ,HDMI



    Graphics Display

    Nvidia GeForce GT 630M 2GB Dedicated



    Camera

    Yes



    Card Reader

    Yes



    Screen Size

    15.6”



    Screen Type

    LED Crystal Bright



    Fingerprint Reader

    Info (n/a)



    Ethernet Card

    Info (n/a)



    Battery Cells

    4 CELL 2.5



    Colour

    Black



    Code

    1



    Weight

    Info (n/a)



    Warranty

    1 Year Local




    Rs.87,000.00

    At 925 Dollars, this one looks like the one. The resolution is a bit smaller but it does have the 630GPU which is awesome. It's SB though.




















































































  • DfgDfg Admin
    edited August 2012
    [h=1]Acer Aspire 5755G-2674G50MN Ci7-2670M[/h]


    Processor
    Intel Ci7-2670M (2.2GHz / 6MB Cache)



    Memory
    4GB DDR 3


    Hard drive
    500GB



    Optical Drive
    DVD Super Multi


    Display
    15.6" LED Crystal Bright


    Graphic
    Nvidia GeForce GT 630M 2GB Dedicated Graphic


    Communication
    Wireless LAN / Bluetooth 3.0 / 1.3MP HD Camera


    Operating System
    Windows 7 Premium



    Colour
    Black


    Battery
    6 Cell 2.2


    Warranty
    One Year Acer Official Warranty In Pakistan




    87000 RS

    Fuck this is a steal. I choose this one.
  • DaktologistDaktologist Global Moderator
    edited August 2012
    I brought an Acer Extensa 5620Z a few years back. It has handled the abuse I have thrown at it well. Apart from replacing the HDD and DVD drive in it and added more RAM, it has served me well. Acer make good laptops IMO. It served as my main machine for three years until I built my desktop but I still use it occasionally.
  • DfgDfg Admin
    edited August 2012
    I brought an Acer Extensa 5620Z a few years back. It has handled the abuse I have thrown at it well. Apart from replacing the HDD and DVD drive in it and added more RAM, it has served me well. Acer make good laptops IMO. It served as my main machine for three years until I built my desktop but I still use it occasionally.

    Acer has a part repo, people really think of them as cheap etc but as beaver said, don't buy into the POS Laptops and brand really doesn't matter to me. Performance does. Checking Samsung live up as well.
    http://www.pricespy.pk/laptop-pakistan/Samsung-NP300V5A-S0EAE_-_7279.html
    http://www.shophive.com/shophive/Samsung-NP300E5Z-A06AE-p-11125.pakistan.html

    Both are cheaper but lack USB 3.0 which is essential for the external HDD.
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited August 2012
    Sit back and listen while I tell you a little tech story. Back around 2002 Dell started making the Optiplex 260 and about a year later the Optiplex 270 lines. Around 2004 many of these machines started to lock with a black screen ad the only way to power cycle them was to pull the AC plug out of the back of the tower to break the lock up. When you removed he cover on one of these systems that behaved in this manner a careful inspection would reveal that several small capacitors on the motherboard had swollen caps ad many times were even leaking. The problem was so prevalent in the 260/270 line that Dell leveraged $350 million of their 2005 profits to cover a special warranty program which would allow for replacement of any board so affected until January of 2007.

    Now Dell was not the only company with this problem in that era. You see both HP and Apple were having the same problem on some models yet they were not using the same motherboard as Optiplex 260's and 270's. So why were they having the same problem as Dell? Well you see Dell, HP, SONY, Acer, Gateway, or any of them for that matter make anything. They purchase components and assemble them. The component manufacturers in Taiwan do not make the sub-components for their products (like capacitors). Most of the sub-components like IC's, capacitors, resistors, etc are manufactured right where they have bee since the transistor radio fad that swept the world after World War II, Japan. So what happened was a 500 buttbillion shitty capacitors were made by some nip, shipped to Taiwan, soldered to various motherboards and shipped to Dell, HP, and apple for about 2 - 3 years. Now HP and Apple never really "fessed up". Sure they honored any board that went bad during the standard warranty period but they knew that this problem was going to bite a lot of customers in the ass after the warranty expired.

    What is my point in relation to this thread? Well just one more short story and we will get to that. When I was young man I worked for a short time in an egg noodle factory. They would make all the dough for the day's noodle production 1st thing in the morning. At about 1/3 of the day through they would stop the entire line and take the name brand (Mrs. Weiss) bags of the bagging machine and place the local store brand bags on it and put the same damned noodles in different (lower priced) bags. Then with about 2 hours or so left they would stop the line once more and place generic bags on the bagger and put the same noodles into even lower priced bags.

    The point is that just like the local grocery store computer manufacturers don't make shit. They buy other peoples noodles and put them in their brand of bag. So when you buy a SONY or an HP it does not really matter because their suppliers are all getting the same sub-components. The thing to look at is what are the components of the machine ad what is the competitions price for a system with the same or similar components. The only time the name of the manufacturer should ever be a consideration in your purchasing decision is if you are in an enterprise environment where elevated support channels and volume pricing and not some paperwork performance figures are the deciding factors as these vary from company to company depending on your purchasing power. That and for n00b end users who need good support. For those folks buy a Dell or an HP as they have U.S. (native English) support channels. If you are like me save the money and get an Acer or ASUS or some other "off brand" that has the same noodles in a different box and has shitty foreign tech support. You will save yourself hundreds of dollars and have just as fast of a system.
  • DfgDfg Admin
    edited August 2012
    Sit back and listen while I tell you a little tech story. Back around 2002 Dell started making the Optiplex 260 and about a year later the Optiplex 270 lines. Around 2004 many of these machines started to lock with a black screen ad the only way to power cycle them was to pull the AC plug out of the back of the tower to break the lock up. When you removed he cover on one of these systems that behaved in this manner a careful inspection would reveal that several small capacitors on the motherboard had swollen caps ad many times were even leaking. The problem was so prevalent in the 260/270 line that Dell leveraged $350 million of their 2005 profits to cover a special warranty program which would allow for replacement of any board so affected until January of 2007.

    Now Dell was not the only company with this problem in that era. You see both HP and Apple were having the same problem on some models yet they were not using the same motherboard as Optiplex 260's and 270's. So why were they having the same problem as Dell? Well you see Dell, HP, SONY, Acer, Gateway, or any of them for that matter make anything. They purchase components and assemble them. The component manufacturers in Taiwan do not make the sub-components for their products (like capacitors). Most of the sub-components like IC's, capacitors, resistors, etc are manufactured right where they have bee since the transistor radio fad that swept the world after World War II, Japan. So what happened was a 500 buttbillion shitty capacitors were made by some nip, shipped to Taiwan, soldered to various motherboards and shipped to Dell, HP, and apple for about 2 - 3 years. Now HP and Apple never really "fessed up". Sure they honored any board that went bad during the standard warranty period but they knew that this problem was going to bite a lot of customers in the ass after the warranty expired.

    What is my point in relation to this thread? Well just one more short story and we will get to that. When I was young man I worked for a short time in an egg noodle factory. They would make all the dough for the day's noodle production 1st thing in the morning. At about 1/3 of the day through they would stop the entire line and take the name brand (Mrs. Weiss) bags of the bagging machine and place the local store brand bags on it and put the same damned noodles in different (lower priced) bags. Then with about 2 hours or so left they would stop the line once more and place generic bags on the bagger and put the same noodles into even lower priced bags.

    The point is that just like the local grocery store computer manufacturers don't make shit. They buy other peoples noodles and put them in their brand of bag. So when you buy a SONY or an HP it does not really matter because their suppliers are all getting the same sub-components. The thing to look at is what are the components of the machine ad what is the competitions price for a system with the same or similar components. The only time the name of the manufacturer should ever be a consideration in your purchasing decision is if you are in an enterprise environment where elevated support channels and volume pricing and not some paperwork performance figures are the deciding factors as these vary from company to company depending on your purchasing power. That and for n00b end users who need good support. For those folks buy a Dell or an HP as they have U.S. (native English) support channels. If you are like me save the money and get an Acer or ASUS or some other "off brand" that has the same noodles in a different box and has shitty foreign tech support. You will save yourself hundreds of dollars and have just as fast of a system.

    Ha, funny thing is, I am actually going for that Acer, Asus channel. Cost/ performance matters to me a lot. Brand can fuck itself. Plus, with my Tech know how I can make anything I buy into something truly awesome. Wait till they see BT3RC3 on it :D.
  • bornkillerbornkiller Administrator In your girlfriends snatch
    edited August 2012
    Acer fosho.

    I have repaired so many HP's and Toshiba's but fixed very few Acers. :eek:
  • SlartibartfastSlartibartfast Global Moderator -__-
    edited August 2012
    A computer is the sum of its parts. There are two desktop processor vendors. There are two (serious) graphics card vendors. There are two motherboard makers. There are two (the rest is rebranding) storage and ram producers. The other peripherals don't matter.

    They are all made in the same factories by the same people with the same machines. They only difference is the casing. Very often it's the casing that gets damaged first (and proceeds to destroy the parts).

    You should just ask: What kind of casing should i get? Sony and Have some sturdy casing, the crappiest is Asus. I'm writing this on an Acer, I have no strong opinions about it.

    I've said this a million times on a million forums but it doesn't matter. No one seems to get it.

    From your list, The second one would be my choice. Doesn't Sony sell laptops with AMD processors? I also agree with you on the 1080p display, it makes a big difference.
  • DfgDfg Admin
    edited August 2012
    A computer is the sum of its parts. There are two desktop processor vendors. There are two (serious) graphics card vendors. There are two motherboard makers. There are two (the rest is rebranding) storage and ram producers. The other peripherals don't matter.

    They are all made in the same factories by the same people with the same machines. They only difference is the casing. Very often it's the casing that gets damaged first (and proceeds to destroy the parts).

    You should just ask: What kind of casing should i get? Sony and Have some sturdy casing, the crappiest is Asus. I'm writing this on an Acer, I have no strong opinions about it.

    I've said this a million times on a million forums but it doesn't matter. No one seems to get it.

    From your list, The second one would be my choice. Doesn't Sony sell laptops with AMD processors? I also agree with you on the 1080p display, it makes a big difference.

    Yep, I would be traveling a lot. In fact, I would be carrying the Laptop in my backpack while riding my bicycle to the University. So, having a touch body would be nice.
  • GoingNowhereGoingNowhere Global Moderator
    edited August 2012
    The Acer has the best graphics card, and also has the i7 processor. Definitely that one. This is the graphics card benchmarked: http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/video_lookup.php?gpu=GeForce+GT+630M and this is the processor benchmarked http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_lookup.php?cpu=Intel+Core+i7-2670QM+%40+2.20GHz

    Although Ivy Bridge, the second one is only an i5 processor and thus scores lower on benchmark tests.

    I own a dell Studio 1557 that I've had for 3 years now, and it has been nothing but bliss :)
  • SlartibartfastSlartibartfast Global Moderator -__-
    edited September 2012
    ^^^^^^^^^ I have a sister model of this laptop, My biggest criticism is the weird resolution (1366x786).
  • DfgDfg Admin
    edited September 2012
    ^^^^^^^^^ I have a sister model of this laptop, My biggest criticism is the weird resolution (1366x786).

    The problem is, all of the models have this issue. I ain't bullshitting bro. I literally checked all the available Laptops, the one with FULL HD screens are expensive and out of my budget and pretty much useless. Keep in mind I have a full blown fucking awesome Desktop computers with 2x23"(1080p) displays. My only use would be to power my workplace when I am in the Uni or away from the beast. Simply put, Don't really care about the resolution, just want a decent GPU for Adobe Suites and Nvidia 540M is more than enough.

    The build quality might be an issue but I am not an Apple/status freak and I value my money. The money I save going for this, will come in handy for buying some headphones, a decent bag and an external 1TB drive.
  • bornkillerbornkiller Administrator In your girlfriends snatch
    edited September 2012
    Dfg wrote: »
    The problem is, all of the models have this issue. I ain't bullshitting bro. I literally checked all the available Laptops, the one with FULL HD screens are expensive and out of my budget and pretty much useless. Keep in mind I have a full blown fucking awesome Desktop computers with 2x23"(1080p) displays.
    I find it really difficult using one screen. I've become so reliant on 2 monitors my laptop just sits there doing fuck all. :(
  • GoingNowhereGoingNowhere Global Moderator
    edited September 2012
    Not as good graphics card as the one I highlighted in my post. This one= http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/video_lookup.php?gpu=GeForce+GT+540M
    The last one= http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/vi...eForce+GT+630M

    The first acer in my previous post has better specs, it has 2 Gb's of dedicated graphics with a higher Graphics card model number.
  • DfgDfg Admin
    edited September 2012
    Not as good graphics card as the one I highlighted in my post. This one= http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/video_lookup.php?gpu=GeForce+GT+540M
    The last one= http://www.videocardbenchmark.net/vi...eForce+GT+630M

    The first acer in my previous post has better specs, it has 2 Gb's of dedicated graphics with a higher Graphics card model number.

    http://www.anandtech.com/show/5200/introducing-amds-radeon-7000m-and-nvidias-geforce-600m-mobile-gpus/2

    They're the same but I will side with 630 on this. It's also a bit more expensive :(
    http://www.notebookcheck.net/Computer-Games-on-Laptop-Graphic-Cards.13849.0.html

    I did contact the dealer, he only has 5755 versions not the other one. They're basically the same. I need to go and look for a shop where I can test this.
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