Buying First Long Distance Rifle
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I am looking into buying my first long distance rifle. I was looking at a .308 savage. Does anyone own one or have anyone opinions on the rifle? I have about $800 to spend including the scope and everything.
If anyone has a better rifle or caliber please say so. Any advice is welcome. Also if you have a suggestion please elaborate and say why you think it is good.
I was looking at this model btw-http://www.snipercountrypx.com/showproduct.aspx?productid=1124
If anyone has a better rifle or caliber please say so. Any advice is welcome. Also if you have a suggestion please elaborate and say why you think it is good.
I was looking at this model btw-http://www.snipercountrypx.com/showproduct.aspx?productid=1124
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A lot of people will tell you to get a tikka or a rem 700, they are both well made... But you can get better for your money. Weatherby, Howa, Ruger, Browning would give you more for your cash.
When I buy my first .308 I'm strongly considering a weatherby vanguard, it seems to have a lot of bang for the buck.
I hear Tikka's are pretty good, but they are a bit pricey.
And I would avoid the AR-10's. I like the platform, but a lot of people have problems with failure to feeds, and the accuracy isn't up to a bolt's performance. Mags aren't cheap, and quality control from what I've heard is mediocre at best. Your mileage may vary however.
For sure. The accu-trigger is definitely worth the very small price increase from the cheaper models. It's a great trigger system.
From what I remember Savage and Weatherby are on opposite ends of the price range, Weatherby being the more expensive. Savage is a great gun for the price and a good starter rifle.
My first rifle was a Winchester, bolt action .270. It is one of the more flat shooting guns. With a factory scope I think I paid about $350 10 years ago. One of the more available weapons that is very accurate would be a .243. It doesn't have the take-down power of the .308 or .300 but it will do the job.
Whatever you get make it a bolt action. Try one of these: 30-06, .300 win mag, or a 7mm if you want a rifle with a punch or a .243 or 25-06 if you want a light kick with very accurate rounds.
I like the Mosins. But they won't hold up the accuracy of a modern bolt gun. The surplus ammo wasn't made for that kind of accuracy, and neither was the rifle. You won't get sub-MOA with a Mosin, they sit around 3-4 inch groups at 100 yards typically. Hell I'm fine 2-3 MOA, but most people aren't when you get to 400-800 yards. A Savage can be a MOA rifle out of the box.
What about a Mauser? I own one and I get the same accuracy as any modern rifle.
Mausers 98's are a different story. They were the most accurate bolt action of the two great wars. There's a reason the Springfield 1909, and most modern bolts took the Mauser action. Most modern rifles are BASED on that Mauser. And the action was smooth unlike the Mosins. The Mosion action is notorious for being a total bitch.
The Mauser was stupidly accurate for the time. The sights were pretty miserable though. The Mosin while a good battle rifle, didn't really compare in accuracy.
Also, the problem with all WWII surplus is that most of it has been fired, with corrosive ammunition, not cleaned for awhile- and thus the bores usually suffer. I'd still take a Mauser 98 though. I should have a few years ago when they were only like $130.
The Weatherby Vanguard series (actually Japanese made Howa 1500s) are actually priced similarly to most mid-grade hunting rifles.
A standard Weatherby Vanguard with the "1.5 MOA guarantee" is about $400.
Anyway, most "sniper" type rifles that you can buy at sporting good stores have garbage stocks. The Savage would be your best bet provided you get one with the new Accustock that has a aluminum bedding block.
Take a look at the SWFA "Super Sniper" scope for $299, Burris Tactical 30mm rings, and an Evolution Gun Works scope base and you can have a pretty damn good long range rifle for not a whole lot.
You also might be able to find the Bushnell 3200 10x Mildot scope for about $185, but they discontinued them so a lot of stores no longer have them in stock.
You can do this, but it isn't cheap. Just don't buy a Rem700 out of the box without seriously going over it, and preferably shooting it. The quailty control of the 700's has fallen to a despicable level.
It's virtually a one-shot kill. Proof:
It's only like 1,500 GP.
Gee, I guess the military really is the last resort of people who couldn't flip burgers, you really need to brush up on your reading comprehension. My post very clearly said "BUILT TO YOUR OWN SPECS," not "buy the first Remington 700 you see, put a $80 bushnell on it, and make a ghillie suit to become a sniper overnight."
Obviously you need to clean the shit out of your own eyes. I never claimed you said buy one complete. HOwever people tend to buy a 700 out of the box, and then bitch when it can't shoot for hell.
Also you can build an amazing rifle out of any good Mauser action. Doesn't have to be a 700.
Honestly, you really need to calm down your interweb ego.
EDIT: Also, flip burgers? I had a Bachelors degree before I went in to the Army. Jackass.
Getting a little defensive there flaccid_cock?
Lemme help you out a bit because it looks like you filled your brain with hooah and knocked out all the learnin' you're supposed to have done before that:
Not once ever at all in the slightest did I ever at once in the slightest recommend he "buy a 700 out of the box"
Next time try to remember feet, knees, hip, shoulder, back when landing a parachute, not nose, face, cranium, side of head and spinal cord.
I likely have a higher education than you, and I also never said you implied to do so.
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I would appreciate that you respond to imaginary posts without quoting mine then.
Read the first sentence of my post, that you are so butthurt about. Granted, I should have hit enter a few times to separate ideas(I forgot that this is the internet), but it's still there. The small paragraph is obviously comprehensive.
I guess it is easier to sign papers with 11x on them than to clean a grease trap after all.
I don't know your problem with me, nor do I care. This is meant to be a relatively serious sub-forum. Attack me all you want, but keep it in PM. It's annoying to me, that you derail threads, and as such, drive people away from posting. It detracts from the sub-forum as a whole.
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http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=211466094
And heres one with the black synthetic stock..if you're into that (yuck)
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=210827674
They make the Model 70s in various different calibers too. .375 H&H, .270, .30-06, .243, .300 WSM etc.