Coming Changes

DfgDfg Admin
edited December 2011 in Help and Suggestions
We're going to officially Launch around the New Year, during this time I would be working on my IRL work and working on this platform. Everything you see now will most likely be changed, removed or moved. The whole layout and structure will get changed. I already nullified the moderator structure and now it's following a pretty unique structure. TDR will now be handling the Moderators and new mods. This is because it's far easier for him to detect assholes considering he is one, plus he is in good terms with all the mod team. TeamSpeak is going to play a vital role in all of this, considering my time schedule, it's the only place I can be most of the time, this does not mean I wouldn't be posting, this just means it's easier for me to give you a rapid update or guide you correctly or even train you.

The CMS will get some upgrades as well, the current categories will be revised, made more logical, since we're now following Internet rules, you will certain changes when it comes to piracy related materials. In short, Totseans.com will be NO PIRACY ZONE, considering everyone here knows how to Google and can easily sign up to a private tracker, I am sure that wouldn't be a problem, I want to make this move because real people who earn money and work hard, do have some morals when it comes to stealing.

Another vital change is the audience we're attracting, kidiots, trolls and dump idiots are not welcome. You can make some funny yet creative threads but the one liner BS threads are not welcome, this time it's Quality over quantity. We have a unique user base here, it's a mix of old and young, I am sure there will be some complications but you have to be flexible if you want to learn something, what's the point of being in a community when they only thing it does is harm you IRL. I want this place to be a real beacon where users can come, share and actually learn something. Quality articles, threads is something that I want to see here.

Also, I am sure many of you are a bit peeved about the Domain, when I bought this domain I intended to make it platform for users to get jobs of out, but due to my workload, I couldn't give time to it, so when we had to move and I saw that following our current trend will only result in more problems, I decided to take a leap of faith. The term Totseans is taken from Totse, if you were on Totse you will be called a Totseans, but I looked at the general meaning of it when I bought the domain, for me Totseans represent people who are free and know what real information is, they're people of diverse belief and they're unique creative individuals who have the power to bring great change.

I thought it would be fitting to use the name for Totse.info considering how much we have grown as a community, I am sure other communities that for reason hate us for being what we are were pretty happy when Totse.info went offline and it was honestly funny to see their reactions, in reality we never went down, we evolved and transformed, we did something that other offshoot communities can't do, we're no longer .info, we're no longer a clone and we're certainly no longer following the footsteps of Jeff Hunter.

This is a new venture altogether, combining what we have learned from our past experiences and using our real world knowledge we took this step to ensure that whoever was/is involved in this running project would be proud of it at a certain point. You will see what I mean once we really start going, this time it's not a one man operation, it's a group effort. It took me months and some might say a year to reach things point, I never really intended to keep going on under Totse shadows forever, I knew as others who were watching from afar knew, this wouldn't last long.

So, take a seat, get ready and send me some of your ideas of what you will like to see, considering we're not under the Totse influence anymore, I don't really mind being creative with certain aspects of the forum. You will see a new mission statement up, and some other vital pages up as well. As soon as the DNS conflict is resolved (two DNS were active hence the conflict) we will move ahead and start reshaping this place. I will be in TS if you need me, but I would be busy working on IRL work during that time.

TL;DR:
  • Forums Revised
  • New Mission Statement
  • New Rules
  • New Policies
  • No Torrents
  • No Porn
  • No Piracy
  • Layout/Logo/Graphics Update
  • Moderation Changes
  • and more...

Comments

  • DfgDfg Admin
    edited December 2011


    A bit relevant
  • SpinsterSpinster Regular
    edited December 2011
    Good shit Dfg. Really looking forward to seeing the changes!

    Something I would like to see is a face book type notifications system, so you dont have to refreash the page to see when someone has commented on a thread you are subscribed to. That would be really cool.

    Keep up the good work!
  • DfgDfg Admin
    edited December 2011
    Spinster wrote: »
    Good shit Dfg. Really looking forward to seeing the changes!

    Something I would like to see is a face book type notifications system, so you dont have to refreash the page to see when someone has commented on a thread you are subscribed to. That would be really cool.

    Keep up the good work!

    Actually that's quite possible now :)
  • chippychippy <b style="color:pink;">Global Moderator</b>
    edited December 2011
    Whats up with the youtube script all of a sudden?

    Also, quick idea, I love the cloud link thingy on the front page. would it be possible to do something similar for new posts on the bottom of each page. It would make navigation so much quicker and be quite revolutionary.

    ETA actually new posts would be difficult as everyones new posts are different. What about todays posts?
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited December 2011
    I will work on revised rules to reflect our new direction and have a draft ready for review before the new year.
  • GoingNowhereGoingNowhere Global Moderator
    edited December 2011
    Sounds good, Im looking forward to seeing what comes out. I cant wait until we have a finished product that we wont really have to touch again as change makes me nervous! If you need any help like helping the CMS Id be willing to dig in, seems like with this whole overhaul you guys have got alot to do!
  • MeloncholyMeloncholy Regular
    edited December 2011
    I will work on revised rules to reflect our new direction and have a draft ready for review before the new year.

    This is vitally important, along with a revised mission statement. It's going to have to be spelled out very plainly what is allowed and what isn't re: the legal shit.

    The absolute "no torrent" rule seems excessive to me. I understand that gratuitious links to films and music are an unnecesary legal hasle, but things like army field manuals, survival manuals, fitness programmes are valuable sources of information. Will the no torrent rule extend to copyrighted files shared via dropbox etc?
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited December 2011
    If it violates the terms of google adsense it will not be permitted.
  • GoingNowhereGoingNowhere Global Moderator
    edited December 2011
    Why, have we or anybody else had trouble with Google before? Its just that for an example DFG has linked to lots of torrents in the past that have been really helpful like music production torrents, and it seems like an unnecessary thing to do to say no to torrents.
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited December 2011
    Yes, .info was blacklisted due to unsuitable content. One of the reasons we changed domains when we moved hosts.
  • GoingNowhereGoingNowhere Global Moderator
    edited December 2011
    Ahh fair enough, thanks for the explenation :) Prehaps in future we'll just have to be a bit more sneaky and allude to the torrents on those websites. "Hey, there's a really good torrent called Sibelius 6 on Pirate bay".
  • MeloncholyMeloncholy Regular
    edited December 2011
    5. Prohibited Uses. You shall not, and shall not authorize or encourage any third party to: ... (v) display any Ad(s), Link(s), or Referral Button(s) on any Web page or any Web site that contains any pornographic, hate-related, violent, or illegal content;

    That seems awfully restrictive. What are we going to talk about?
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited December 2011
    If the only thing people can think of to discuss are "pornographic, hate-related, violent, or illegal content" then we may as well close shop now. There is of course some leeway in regard to violent and illegal content but piracy is not part of that wiggle room. Also there exist the possibility of making certain sections available only to regulars and not the bots. These sections would obviously be less restrictive as no activity there would be in view the Google AdSense Spider.
  • MeloncholyMeloncholy Regular
    edited December 2011
    Some regular-only sections of the forum would definitely be a good idea. The traditional core of the forum has always been discussion of drugs, pyro and illegal activities; without these I don't really see a coherent purpose. If the new content has to be strictly legal it puts us in direct competition with sites like WikiHow, Ehow and Instructables, which isn't a battle we are going to win.

    E: out of interest was anyone given a specific reason why .info was blacklisted? Was "unsuitable content" referring to anything other than torrents and pirated material?
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited December 2011
    You would have to ask that question of Dfg.
  • edited December 2011
    He mentioned earlier on TS that AdSense don't like anything which isn't safe for work, which basically included a shit load of stuff we were hosting here. I think Dfg is trying to maximise profits while keeping the site attractive to users, so don't worry - our interesting sections will still remain. Some may be restricted or privatized, but they'll still be there.

    A few of us have started working on the CMS today. We're going through every single article (that's a lot, over 400 I think) and throwing the bad ones away, updating tags, cleaning up and making the place look/perform much better. After that, we can really get cracking.
  • SpinsterSpinster Regular
    edited December 2011
    Still looking forward to seeing your hard work but

    RIP Bad Ideas :sad:
  • RogueEagle91RogueEagle91 Regular
    edited December 2011
    Did we JUST switch the domain?
    Guess I don't pay much attention, otherwise.
    I do like the idea. Gives a feeling of who we are rather than where we were.
    The web has come a long way since the original &T.
    As such, I can't really disagree with sticking closer to adsense rules.
    Anything we once came here to find that was frowned upon by search engines can be easily and freely found elsewhere.
    Things have advanced enough that continuing to try being the "shady" corner of the internet is no longer logical for the site.
    I dig the changes so far, and I'm looking forward to everything rolling out at the beginning of the year.
  • SpinsterSpinster Regular
    edited December 2011
    Im proposing that we bring back bad ideas, but I understand this wont fit in with the new image. I always found it a fascinating read so what Im suggesting we call it something else like Scams and rip offs, Im sure there was a thread? so we aim it at detailling how scams work etc, kinda like that show The Real Hustle. Knowing how a scam works is a great way to avoided being ripped off youself.

    Stuff like Night-ops and Ka-fucking-boom like threads will obviously not be welcomed on this forum.
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited December 2011
    Nite ops should be fine and the ka-boom shit could simply be one of the private areas that the google adsense spider does not have permission to access.
  • chippychippy <b style="color:pink;">Global Moderator</b>
    edited December 2011
    Just an idea, but the non adsense friendly content, could we not start private groups for members only for each subject. Then members who don't want to be involved with those subjects won't see their new posts cluttered up with non interest threads.

    ETA. this could possibly be used for VBookie too?
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited December 2011
    Vbookie is what Vbookie is. In other words it is an add on the is written to behave in a certain fashion and display in a certain way. In order to modify that would likely require a complete re-write from the ground up.
  • chippychippy <b style="color:pink;">Global Moderator</b>
    edited December 2011
    I understand that, I just wondered if you could choose where on the site the threads were displayed.
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited December 2011
    You can choose which forum or sub-forum but you can't put it in a group.
  • chippychippy <b style="color:pink;">Global Moderator</b>
    edited December 2011
    Just wondered. It would work for the dodgy content though.

    Just thinking aloud here LOL
  • SpinsterSpinster Regular
    edited December 2011
    Totse2 has a rule that new arrivals cant post out of the introductions forum until they have made five posts, after that they can go anywhere.

    This would be good for stopping spam bots and it makes it a pain in the arse to make an alt account.

    take or leave it, just a throwing ideas around.
  • DaktologistDaktologist Global Moderator
    edited December 2011
    chippy wrote: »
    Just wondered. It would work for the dodgy content though.

    Just thinking aloud here LOL

    Some kind of hidden section out of view of the adsense spider could work. I don't know if v bulletin allows for it but its an idea.
  • chippychippy <b style="color:pink;">Global Moderator</b>
    edited December 2011
    I've seen groups on VBulletin boards that were only open to invited members. You PM whoever is in control of that group and ask permission to join. I cant see a spider doing that LOL
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited December 2011
    Whole forums in VB can be hidden from Spiders.
  • chippychippy <b style="color:pink;">Global Moderator</b>
    edited December 2011
    But will those whole forums be visible to members who don't want to see them?
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited December 2011
    Yes, they would be visible to anyone who had an account that was at or above the permission level set for that forum.
  • chippychippy <b style="color:pink;">Global Moderator</b>
    edited December 2011
    yeah. that was my point really.
  • IdiosyncrasyIdiosyncrasy Semo-Regulars
    edited December 2011
    Spinster wrote: »
    Totse2 has a rule that new arrivals cant post out of the introductions forum until they have made five posts, after that they can go anywhere.

    This would be good for stopping spam bots and it makes it a pain in the arse to make an alt account.

    take or leave it, just a throwing ideas around.

    The rule confuses some new arrivals, but they can actually post anywhere on the forums. They just can't make a thread outside of Introductions and Help and Suggests until they reach five posts.

    Like you said, it does slow down spam bots who only intend on making threads, although not all spam posts are stopped.
  • DfgDfg Admin
    edited December 2011
    The rule confuses some new arrivals, but they can actually post anywhere on the forums. They just can't make a thread outside of Introductions and Help and Suggests until they reach five posts.

    Like you said, it does slow down spam bots who only intend on making threads, although not all spam posts are stopped.
    Well, that is a good idea but I already have simple filters in place and since we're changing stuff, I don't think spam bots would be able to roam around that freely :)
  • chippychippy <b style="color:pink;">Global Moderator</b>
    edited December 2011
    Oooohhh, bot traps? sounds very Indiana Jones.
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