Since this discussion didnt belong in S&A I will continue it here:hai: Anyway what is everyones position on Abortion? I feel it is Murder because God said he knew us in our mothers womb.
I knew you before I formed you in your mother’s womb. Jeremiah 1:5
Life begins at conception and abortion is shouldn't more than baby killing. If a woman doesn't want to be pregnant then she shouldn't have slept around. The way I see it if you dont want the kid then give it up for adoption. Abortion is nothing more than legalized murder.
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If she's raped it still doesn't give her the right to murder the kid who had no part in the act. It's still a life even if it was the product of rape.
You like what?
Murdering me would be morally wrong. Plus I wouldn't let myself get murdered.
Fuck your religious bullshit. If god knew what was right, he would have aborted us.
I argued adoption in the other thread. Yes, adoption is definitely an option, but it sure as fuck isn't guaranteed that the kid will have it any better than if he were dead. Not every orphan get's adopted into a loving family with the promise of a better life.
And maybe some people feel more comfortable knowing 100% that they don't have a kid somewhere out in the world that could either be starving, on the streets, being abused or getting raped, or could have had that slim chance of coming into a good life with a loving family.
A vegetable is life but we eat them. Until the bundle of cells in the woman develops a nervous system, it is not sentient and cannot feel. Better off giving a sort of 'mercy killing' than to have a kid grow up knowing only neglect and suffering.
Also, I like your Bible quote. Isn't it nice to take things out of context? God was speaking to Jeremiah and how he had planned for Jeremiah to be a prophet even before birth:
Theres no garuntees in life but an adopted kid sure as fuck has a better chance than a kid who gets MURDERED by an abortion doctor. It's a fucked up world when murder is the solution to lifes mistakes.
They shouldn't so they shouldn't be sluts. Why is the concept of not fucking if you dont want a kid so hard to understand?
Murder is taking someones LIFE. A fetus does not have a life. A fetus is PRE-life, meaning BEFORE if you're too uneducated to grasp that concept. It's kind of like the egg of a chicken, you know, how you cook it up in a frying pan for breakfast? Well you're cooking what COULD have been another chicken. Is that murder?
Maybe, just fucking maybe the people who conceived the child weren't being selfish, and they knew that they fucked up and knew that if they were to keep it, that the kid would ultimately have a shitty life, so they aborted it, which fucking mind you wouldn't just be some "tra-la-la-la-la let's get this kid aborted!!!" it would be a devastating and difficult decision for a couple to make, but an intelligent one where it's needed.
There's this one asshole that has been standing on the side of the road since my fucking dad was a kid, with a baby doll strapped to his chest holding a sign in protest against abortion, because your God says that it's wrong. This guy makes me fucking sick, because you people seem to think that it's a selfish and light decision.
Just some thoughts.
Is attempted genocide the will of God or did I miss something?
Better off not being born than to live a sub-par life.
What does the swastika have to do with my faith? If your gonna say Jesus was a jew than go look at my threads in the religion section on here. I follow Christian Identity which states Jesus was Aryan so dont try playing that card. And to Mayberry I believe that quote is sort of like when Jesus said it would have been better for Judas if he wasn't born. It's saying not being born is better than Gods judgment of a sinner.
So...let me just get this straight here...the murder and torture of thousands upon thousands of people...is okay in Gods eyes? Racism is cool with God? Damn...I sure as fuck don't want to follow that evil prick.
Ok so were playing this card. Read this site http://www.ihr.org/ The holocaust was largely a myth. He tried to stop communism. At most 300000 died and that was more due to disease and war than mass murder. Also you'll see the bible states that the Jews of today are the product of when Eve and satan had sex. Therefore when you fight the jew you fight satan. In revelation Jesus speaks of the "false jews" and the "synagogues of Satan". Revelation 3:9
I think god is a pretty cool guy. eh supports destruction and doesnt afraid of anything. :cool::cool:
Yes when eve ate the apple that was symbolic. In reality she fornicated with the serpent which in Genesis God said "And the LORD God said unto the serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life" This was in Genesis 3:14. Notice how God also in Genesis says that he made Child birth painful. See he punished her womb instead of her mouth which shows that her and Satan had sex which is where jews originate from. Here is a link which has more info on Christian Identity. http://www.kingidentity.com/
So you guys fuck snakes also? When does the Christian madness end?!
:facepalm: No Eve fucked the Serpent. That was the sin in the garden of Eden. The serpent was more like man but was cursed and became a snake as we know them today.
Now you fucking people are magicians that can turn other people into snakes!?!?!?!
Please, oh please, mighty Christian overlord, don't turn me into a snake!
I cant do it fucktard. God did it. He created us why don't you think he can do as he pleases? God can do anything from natural disasters to raising the dead.
Fucking shit now he's a necromancer AND a geomancer?!?! We're all fucked, apparently.
Haha your a funny guy:rolleyes: Now if your done mocking my religion lets get back to the abortion subject shall we?
It's never gone off track. Mockery of your religion is mockery of your arguments against abortion. Speaking of which, you seem to have ignored the biblical quotes I posted which come from the same bible that you base your beliefs and arguments on.
Please go back to elementary school and learn the difference between your and you're, first.
Christians tend to use the Bible to back up their arguments only when it's convenient to their favor, if you haven't noticed.
No I actually pondered that quote. Great argument by the way but in the end you'll see that what God is basically saying is death is a better fate then not serving him. You see in the old testament before Christ there were so many rules of God to follow and there was no forgiveness like there is now that Christ died for our sins. So you'll see it's all in context and isn't saying abortion is ok or life doesn't begin at birth.
Exactly, when I post quotes that undermine him, he just ignores them.
We should be dead rather than serve God all of our life then, eh? That's pretty egotistical of that guy, in my opinion. "Hey you kids!!! Fucking tell me I'm the shit everyday for the rest of your life or die!!!!!"
I didnt ignore it. Youll see a few posts up I answered it at the end as well as the post right above this one.
You are speaking of the context of my quote, but what of yours? The quote you first posted was heavily taken out of context which I fixed a few posts down. The bible takes no stance on abortion or the beginning of a life. Don't tell me I make the mistake of taking something out of context when you do so such blatantly yourself.
Ok fair enough. Here are some more quotes that may change your mind on whether the bible has a stance on abortion.
Abortion is wrong because God says so guize. That book that was written by man IS THE LAW.
It was written by Men who were inspired by God and who God spoke directly too. So yes it is the law. Maybe it isn't the law of modern man but it is the eternal law that we all must answer too on the day of which there is no more doubt.
wait wut? :facepalm:
Thou shalt not kill. Murder IS wrong unless you have a good reason for it such as self defense or war. There are times when it's ok and necessary but murdering a helpless child is fucked up.
"Thou shalt not kill." Not "Thou shalt not kill, unless of course it's self defense or you're at war, then it's all cool by me."
Great, abortion is less of a crime than murder.
There is no doubt that at a certain point, there is life in the womb. This has been confirmed by science. However, before that point, all that is in the womb is a bundle of non-sentient cells. They can neither feel nor think, just like a vegetable. This is abortion. Removing a mass of cells like picking a vegetable from a garden.
Dont be retarded. Yes murder is fine if it's in defense of God Country Race or Family. And to Mayberry I will agree with abortion in extreme cases if it's only a few weeks old but you have to agree all this late term abortion stuff is evil. Also who are we to decide when the childs life begins?
My work here is done
I'm not going to say what's evil and what's not, but I can say that there's ample time for people to make up their mind for an abortion before the embryo becomes sentient. It's hard to say when life begins, but for current measures, the ability to think, to feel, and to experience that comes with the development of a nervous system will have to do until more is known.