A question for 9/11 truthers — Totseans

A question for 9/11 truthers

DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
edited December 2010 in Spurious Generalities
OK so I always here the claim that angry Muslims couldn't possibly have the skills needed to do 9/11. So my question is how did America or the Jews manage to get there own agents to kill themselves? And don't give me the whole hypnotized mind control bullshit.

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  • MayberryMayberry Regular
    edited November 2010
    OK so I always here the claim that angry Muslims couldn't possibly have the skills needed to do 9/11. So my question is how did America or the Jews manage to get there own agents to kill themselves? And don't give me the whole hypnotized mind control bullshit.

    You answered your own question :o
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited November 2010
  • LuxJigabooLuxJigaboo Regular
    edited November 2010
    The agents that you describe could have still been angry Muslims that had an agreement with the U.S. and Jews, or the Jews and U.S. could have known about it and still allowed it to happen.
  • proudclod9proudclod9 Regular
    edited December 2010
    You reduced the argument to: " a bunch of angry muslims could not have blown up the towers..."

    That tells me alot about you. One way or the other

    Let's start with the simplest aberration that happened: a 47 story building, NOT HIT BY AN AIRPLANE, collapsed at nearly free-fall speed.

    This building WAS on fire, however as history shows, fire alone cannot bring down a steel structure.
  • MelonMelon New Arrival
    edited December 2010
    Spaghetti monster :facepalm:

    I really love the audacity of human the mind, how it decides what is real. We know now that we don't see with our eyes, we see with the mind. Because we know this, we must sense outside our minds.

    Unfortunately, when an individual states that they don't believe another persons statement, arguing ensues. Then truth seeking goes out the window. Its like a cock measuring match, but both parties are too fat to even see their junk :rolleyes:

    Im so sick of people simply denying the overwhelming amount of concrete(well, actually steel and thermite) evidence. No! I won't post links for idiots to magically decide what is real by process of denial. Its not one single smoking gun, everything adds up to uberfishyness; This cannot be disputed.

    So back on topic who donnit right? We might look to our 'leaders'. Its our own American 'bigger than life' reichstag fire. The same paradigm that is used in the the middle east was used to start a war, a great cleansing you could say.

    One thing is true, our culture has been permanently changed by the event. Sadly, through fear we become individuals who self preserve. We can only come to places like totse as a group to regain the power that we have willingly given up.

    “If man will only realize that it is unmanly to obey laws that are unjust, no man’s tyranny will enslave him." Gandhi
  • edited December 2010
    Truthers are just liberals who can't handle that their precious little minority friends the moslems would actually harm a fly. They're convinced by the myth of the noble savage, that the Vietcong and their ilk never even had a word for violence until big mean Americans came by and started killing women and raping babies in between heroin binges and Filipino prostitute poontang breaks.
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited December 2010
    Melon wrote: »
    Spaghetti monster :facepalm:

    I really love the audacity of human the mind, how it decides what is real. We know now that we don't see with our eyes, we see with the mind. Because we know this, we must sense outside our minds.

    Unfortunately, when an individual states that they don't believe another persons statement, arguing ensues. Then truth seeking goes out the window. Its like a cock measuring match, but both parties are too fat to even see their junk :rolleyes:

    Im so sick of people simply denying the overwhelming amount of concrete(well, actually steel and thermite) evidence. No! I won't post links for idiots to magically decide what is real by process of denial. Its not one single smoking gun, everything adds up to uberfishyness; This cannot be disputed.

    So back on topic who donnit right? We might look to our 'leaders'. Its our own American 'bigger than life' reichstag fire. The same paradigm that is used in the the middle east was used to start a war, a great cleansing you could say.

    One thing is true, our culture has been permanently changed by the event. Sadly, through fear we become individuals who self preserve. We can only come to places like totse as a group to regain the power that we have willingly given up.

    “If man will only realize that it is unmanly to obey laws that are unjust, no man’s tyranny will enslave him." Gandhi

    This is easily the best post I have read on this fledgling site. :thumbsup:
  • Gary OakGary Oak Regular
    edited December 2010
    Too bad he only came for the porn. :(
  • DysgraphiaDysgraphia Locked
    edited December 2010
    Don't say that.

    Someone write up a quick rebuttal!!
  • MayberryMayberry Regular
    edited December 2010
    Gary Oak wrote: »
    Too bad he only came from the porn. :(

    fix'd :o
  • proudclod9proudclod9 Regular
    edited December 2010
    Mayberry wrote: »
    fix'd :o

    Tree 'fiddy.
  • edited December 2010
    You're all wrong. Fresh prince did WTC.

    Photomagraphical evidence:

    Prince911.gif
  • MelonMelon New Arrival
    edited December 2010
    Thanks, I thought I'd killed this thread with just one post :) Let the debate go on!

    'Fred, if you're real, you gotta tell me right now!'
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkyT1vir_fg&feature=related
  • ScuDScuD Regular
    edited December 2010
    OK so I always here the claim that angry Muslims couldn't possibly have the skills needed to do 9/11. So my question is how did America or the Jews manage to get there own agents to kill themselves? And don't give me the whole hypnotized mind control bullshit.

    you think mind control is bullshit? hasn't every military superpower in the world had a multimillion dollar mind control project since world war II? the brain is susceptible to all kinds of alteration.

    by my recollection the Nazi mind control project was hijacked by America during operation paper clip was it not? America inherited the leading professionals in the field at the time.
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited December 2010
    ScuD wrote: »
    you think mind control is bullshit? hasn't every military superpower in the world had a multimillion dollar mind control project since world war II? the brain is susceptible to all kinds of alteration.

    by my recollection the Nazi mind control project was hijacked by America during operation paper clip was it not? America inherited the leading professionals in the field at the time.

    Yes but nothing there hasn't been any proven success with it. I'm not saying it couldn't happen but at this point I'm not willing to buy the idea that the US government brainwashed Muslims to hijack planes and fly them into buildings. You ever notice how there has never been a big attack or assasination without people claiming it was a government conspiracy?
  • ScuDScuD Regular
    edited December 2010
    Yes but nothing there hasn't been any proven success with it. I'm not saying it couldn't happen but at this point I'm not willing to buy the idea that the US government brainwashed Muslims to hijack planes and fly them into buildings. You ever notice how there has never been a big attack or assasination without people claiming it was a government conspiracy?

    i guess all we CAN prove is that people don't trust their governments
  • SlappySlappy Acolyte
    edited December 2010
    I'm not willing to buy the idea that the US government brainwashed Muslims

    Recently, the FBI has been busting muslim extremists in the US by encouraging them and supplying them with intelligence, resources, and (inoperable) explosives.

    I don't buy the idea that the US brainwashed them either, but it is ridiculously easy to manipulate somebody who is already brainwashed. Islamic fundamentalism arises from years of mental conditioning, and it doesn't take much to encourage somebody who is already on a path of self-destruction.
  • proudclod9proudclod9 Regular
    edited December 2010
    2.3 TRILLION dollars. was announced to be missing from the pentagon on the day before the attack.

    And if you can look at those buildings--the way they fell-- and tell me it was just from a plane, you aren't very logical...think about it, if it WAS from the steel melting, wouldn't it have toppled?

    Just look at the motive.
  • proudclod9proudclod9 Regular
    edited December 2010
    slappy wrote: »
    recently, the fbi has been busting muslim extremists in the us by encouraging them and supplying them with intelligence, resources, and (inoperable) explosives.

    I don't buy the idea that the us brainwashed them either, but it is ridiculously easy to manipulate somebody who is already brainwashed. Islamic fundamentalism arises from years of mental conditioning, and it doesn't take much to encourage somebody who is already on a path of self-destruction.

    qft
  • homeslice4700homeslice4700 Regular
    edited December 2010
    I think it was the sniper from the grassy knoll.. I swear that bastard is behind everything
  • Rumple ForeskinRumple Foreskin Regular
    edited December 2010
    ScuD wrote: »
    i guess all we CAN prove is that people don't trust their governments

    this is it. nothing adds up at all. if people actually sat down and looked at the evidence of 9/11 and events leading up to 9/11, a overwhelming majority would go wtf
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited December 2010
    this is it. nothing adds up at all. if people actually sat down and looked at the evidence of 9/11 and events leading up to 9/11, a overwhelming majority would go wtf


    Yeah, but the problem is that all the little sheeple are so programed by the media they will run you out of town on a rail if you show them the actual truth.
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited December 2010
    So you idiots really believe that George Bush had Muslims brainwashed to do 9/11 as an excuse to go to war but at the same time the guy who did loose change is alive and well?

    You're saying that the government is evil and smart enough to pull off a false flag on that scale but they're to incompetent to stop a college student and Alex Jones?:facepalm:

    I used to listen to people like Alex Jones too until I realized that not a single fucking thing he predicts comes true. These people make a living off sensationalism and you sheep just buy into it.

    I'm not saying the media and government isn't full of shit or should be trusted but virtually every person I've ever met that believes in Conspiracy theories is no better than the people who blindly believe Fox News or CNN,
  • homeslice4700homeslice4700 Regular
    edited December 2010
    So you idiots really believe that George Bush had Muslims brainwashed to do 9/11 as an excuse to go to war but at the same time the guy who did loose change is alive and well?

    You're saying that the government is evil and smart enough to pull off a false flag on that scale but they're to incompetent to stop a college student and Alex Jones?:facepalm:

    I used to listen to people like Alex Jones too until I realized that not a single fucking thing he predicts comes true. These people make a living off sensationalism and you sheep just buy into it.

    I'm not saying the media and government isn't full of shit or should be trusted but virtually every person I've ever met that believes in Conspiracy theories is no better than the people who blindly believe Fox News or CNN,


    Yeah its true George Bush did plan 9/11 it was quite simple really. All he had to do was have explosives placed at the base of the towers, then on 9/11 pretend like 4 planes we're being hijacked when they we're really just rerouted to pennsylvania then they flew 2 military jets into the world trade center filled with even more explosives and shot down all the witnesses on flight 93 with a F-15 after blowing up the pentagon with a cruise missle. It was only the worlds most intricate and flawlessly executed plan ever....ever
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited December 2010
    Yeah its true George Bush did plan 9/11 it was quite simple really. All he had to do was have explosives placed at the base of the towers, then on 9/11 pretend like 4 planes we're being hijacked when they we're really just rerouted to pennsylvania then they flew 2 military jets into the world trade center filled with even more explosives and shot down all the witnesses on flight 93 with a F-15 after blowing up the pentagon with a cruise missle. It was only the worlds most intricate and flawlessly executed plan ever....ever

    You didn't answer my question. If Bush pulled off this intricate plan then why did he allow Alex Jones and a college student to expose what he did? This post has made me lose all respect for you. A cruise missile?? Seriously?:facepalm:
  • homeslice4700homeslice4700 Regular
    edited December 2010
    You didn't answer my question. If Bush pulled off this intricate plan then why did he allow Alex Jones and a college student to expose what he did? This post has made me lose all respect for you. A cruise missile?? Seriously?:facepalm:

    because alex jones works for the government, The 9/11 conspiracy is a government conspiracy to make everyone think they are in control of everything
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited December 2010
    because alex jones works for the government, The 9/11 conspiracy is a government conspiracy to make everyone think they are in control of everything

    Are you being serious or did you watch that south park episode where it turns out the 9/11 conspiracy is the conspiracy?
  • KatzenklavierKatzenklavier Regular
    edited December 2010
    OK so I always hear the claim that angry

    Fix'd
  • homeslice4700homeslice4700 Regular
    edited December 2010
    Are you being serious or did you watch that south park episode where it turns out the 9/11 conspiracy is the conspiracy?

    yeah everything I said was a direct quote from that south park episode it's one of my favorites; I don't believe 9/11 was a government conspiracy however I do find it very interesting what the conspirators have to say :p
  • proudclod9proudclod9 Regular
    edited December 2010
    You know, you really haven't tried to refute any single thing I've said: there was a building that--not hit by a plane--collapsed at nearly free-fall speed; there was molten metal at the base of the towers; there was a PASSPORT of one of the terrorists that was 'found' near ground zero...all I'm saying is: these things don't add up.

    So, I look at the motive...who stands to gain most?

    How many people do you think it would take to co-ordinate this, if it was a conspiracy?

    I'd say about 300.
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited December 2010
    proudclod9 wrote: »
    You know, you really haven't tried to refute any single thing I've said: there was a building that--not hit by a plane--collapsed at nearly free-fall speed; there was molten metal at the base of the towers; there was a PASSPORT of one of the terrorists that was 'found' near ground zero...all I'm saying is: these things don't add up.

    So, I look at the motive...who stands to gain most?

    How many people do you think it would take to co-ordinate this, if it was a conspiracy?

    I'd say about 300.

    I agree that WTC 7 doesn't make sense and some things don't add up but I can't buy into the idea that George Bush as much as I hate him killed 3000 people in an elaborate conspiracy. I personally think Mossad may have had something to with it or at least knew about it.

    Also no it wouldn't take 300 people. Boarding an airplane with box cutters can't be that difficult. I admit as well that it was strange that they could hit the pentagon with so little training but still nothing suggests our own government did this.

    It needs to be investigated again but for now with all the evidence I have to believe that this was the work of angry Muslims despite some lingering questions about that day.
  • DailyDaily Regular
    edited December 2010
    IYYYYT basically bush had received intelligence that there WOULD be planes hijacked on 9/11 and he allowed it to happen as an excuse to invade Iraq. But he wanted it to be even worse then the terrorists originally planned, so he got some CIA homosexual fuckbuddies to plant some FBI-made bombs in the towers so they would be destroyed to dust. Made some other CIA fags plant some suitcases filled with a Qu'ran, a flight manual and a will of one of the terrorists at the airport, planted a passport among the rubble (how the fuck would it even survive after going straight through a fucking building and coming out of the other side, exploding in the fucking process?) and used some random ass muslims as the perpetrators (a few of dem muslim niggas were found to be alive and well after the destruction lol). Obviously this shit was backed by extreme fucking propaganda so all of the sheep niggas hate muslims and the Middle-East so everyone would think invading Iraq would be justified blahblahblah also this is linked to the potential economic collapse due to oil depletion which was being foreseen and niggas needed oil for their Mcdonalds' fries. God bless America.
  • ScuDScuD Regular
    edited December 2010
    So you idiots really believe that George Bush had Muslims brainwashed to do 9/11 as an excuse to go to war but at the same time the guy who did loose change is alive and well?

    You're saying that the government is evil and smart enough to pull off a false flag on that scale but they're to incompetent to stop a college student and Alex Jones?:facepalm:

    I used to listen to people like Alex Jones too until I realized that not a single fucking thing he predicts comes true. These people make a living off sensationalism and you sheep just buy into it.

    I'm not saying the media and government isn't full of shit or should be trusted but virtually every person I've ever met that believes in Conspiracy theories is no better than the people who blindly believe Fox News or CNN,

    i have to agree with this. even alex jones is marketing himself, he's found a niche and hes milking it. just like the Ufologists in the 80's.
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited December 2010
    Daily wrote: »
    IYYYYT basically bush had received intelligence that there WOULD be planes hijacked on 9/11 and he allowed it to happen as an excuse to invade Iraq. But he wanted it to be even worse then the terrorists originally planned, so he got some CIA homosexual fuckbuddies to plant some FBI-made bombs in the towers so they would be destroyed to dust. Made some other CIA fags plant some suitcases filled with a Qu'ran, a flight manual and a will of one of the terrorists at the airport, planted a passport among the rubble (how the fuck would it even survive after going straight through a fucking building and coming out of the other side, exploding in the fucking process?) and used some random ass muslims as the perpetrators (a few of dem muslim niggas were found to be alive and well after the destruction lol). Obviously this shit was backed by extreme fucking propaganda so all of the sheep niggas hate muslims and the Middle-East so everyone would think invading Iraq would be justified blahblahblah also this is linked to the potential economic collapse due to oil depletion which was being foreseen and niggas needed oil for their Mcdonalds' fries. God bless America.


    Your details are bit sketchy but I am sure it was something you have outlined. But the real goal was the Patriot Act. The "freeing" of the Iraqi people and the oil fields was just icing on the cake.
  • homeslice4700homeslice4700 Regular
    edited December 2010
    It all comes down to one simple thing when we don't have an answer for something some conspiracy theorist comes up with his own answer and thats how this shit is born
  • LuxJigabooLuxJigaboo Regular
    edited December 2010
    You're saying that the government is evil and smart enough to pull off a false flag on that scale but they're to incompetent to stop a college student and Alex Jones?:facepalm:

    They could probably easily stop those people, but they might want to let some conspiracy theorists survive, because if they were to remove them, it would just add weight to the conspiracy theory. If they are allowed to exist, less people would be attracted to them.
    These people make a living off sensationalism

    Agreed.
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