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My take on this reads just like the rhetoric the Bush administration was spewing about Iraq just a few years before Sadam was taken out. Can we look for a U.S. lead invasion of the PDRK by 2014? If you remember back Bush labeled Iraq, Iran, and North Korea "The Axis of Evil". So we can understand why a Bush led military and cabinet would rattle sabers in those three directions. But wait, we were told there would be change. Why is the new administration rattling the same sabers? Could it be that there is no real difference between what both parties do but just in how they say it?
Remember this article when the DPRK is toppled and no missiles of true threat are found. The U.S. military has become nothing more that a private army for the worlds banks and corporation looking to open new world markets and consolidate global power. Don't think this is the U.S. peoples fault because every major nation on earth is controlled by these same financial interests.
I guess only time will tell if I am right though.
U.S. Defense Secretary Robert Gates says North Korea will likely have a missile that can reach the United States within five years, and his talks in Beijing this week were aimed in part at getting China to help put the Pyongyang government "on a different path." Gates wants North Korea to declare a moratorium on further testing of its most dangerous weapons.
Secretary Gates told reporters he shared this concern with Chinese officials.
"With the North Koreans continuing development of nuclear weapons and their development of intercontinental ballistic missiles, North Korea is becoming a direct threat to the United States and we have to take that into account," he said.
Gates said any capability for a North Korean missile attack on the United States will be "very limited" in five years, but he said it is still cause for concern.
"I think it is the combination of the continuing nuclear programs but also the progress that they are making with the intercontinental ballistic missiles," said Gates. "I don’t think it is an immediate threat, no, but on the other hand I don’t think it is a five-year threat."
Secretary Gates said North Korea could demonstrate its sincerity as it now seeks renewed talks with the South by declaring a moratorium on missile and nuclear testing.
He said he discussed North Korea with all the Chinese officials he met with in Beijing on Monday and Tuesday, including President Hu Jintao. He said he did not ask for specific action, but did ask for help. China has more influence on North Korea than any other country, but even Chinese officials appear to have been frustrated with the country’s unpredictable leaders in recent months. Gates praised Chinese efforts to help ease tensions after two North Korean attacks, one on a South Korean ship and another on an island.
Gates’ statement that North Korea will be able to directly threaten the United States raises concerns about the country’s high-technology weapons and unpredictable leadership to a new level. Gates called the situation on the Korean Peninsula a "real concern," and said "there is some urgency" to moving ahead with negotiations. In addition to the emerging threat to the United States, he said South Koreans are losing patience, and another North Korean attack would bring pressure for a reaction by the Seoul government.
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I agree that Iran is in the cross hairs as well. I mean there are troops on the ground to both their east and their west.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xh_9QhRzJEs
Imho NK would almost be easier than Iraq in certain aspects due to the lack of a tribal factor over there. The US would quickly gain Air superiority and technologically there is no comparison. Keep I'm mind that NK has no real allies besides China who isn't going to take on the US over the DPRK. Our Navy alone could pretty much destroy NK with ease.
Consider the following telling photo...
Notice that he can't even keep his capitol lit?
Dude China isnt stupid. What possible benefit would siding with NK against America have for them?
china ultimately wants the U.S. out of their hemisphere. The best you can hope for is for the U.S. to gracefully bow out of the global spotlight without China making the western world bow to them. It just doesnt strike me as very "American" to bow out of center stage for china.
and even in this case,i forsee china "liberating" north korea or whatever and the ball will be in their court. they will all be together like a nice socialist happy family, china will be able to support north korea.
in the worse case scenerio, china says fuck you to the U.S. because of orchastrated financial turmoil/fraud of a government etc.. North Korea would announce their support, they would get support from china and that would be world war three.
How bout you deeply think of some reason that would cause China to fall out with the United States first
This. Anyone who thinks China would join North Korea in the event of a war is crazy. China is so dependent upon America for economic reasons that they would destroy themselves were they to back the DPRK.
None of the permanent members really want to upset the apple cart. Also what you have to really look at is what would be good and what would be bad for international financial interests. A war between the U.S. and China would be crippling to the worlds economy. Which is why is will not be permitted to happen by those who hold the purse strings in both nations.
In face to face converstation I have had with traditional but moderate Muslims, not one of them has seen such a Caliphate as a problem - they say it would be like NATO / The EU / or the UN. A group of countries with a common interest joining together. No amount of reasoned argument could convince them that this would be a bad idea and that it would definatly not be like NATO / EU / UN.
As I have said before, I do not think China would have a problem turning NK into glass if NK posed a threat to the international community - they really are the only nation in a position to do it. Sure, other countries have the technology, but anyone else doing it would alienate many other countries.
America is the worlds policeman at the moment, but we are seeing the sun setting on that. When China knows the times is right, the first move will be to makke NK smooth.
While we do not want to see the death it will bring, I think most nations would be secretly thankful.
yea ok fattymcfuckface. maybe you cant read, but i gave you good enough reasons without getting highly elaborated so your feeble mind could understand things from your child like perspective.
the very reason that america is so reliant on the chinese economy and vice versa is why america is chinas bitch and will only stimulate economic conflicts between the two nations, coupled with the denial of human rights in china the world will find a way to go to war with china .
etc.etc. future world conflicts ,ww3, would love to explain it all but will save it for later.
:facepalm: You can call America Chinas bitch all you want but do you realize what would happen to the Chinese economy without America? Both country's are reliant upon each other and thats why you won't see a war between the 2 anytime soon despite what the fear mongering media may say.
As for the economy , I never denied the reliability they have on eachother....infact i emphasized it. I just think that if americas banking and financial system goes under in the near future theres the potential for the U.S. to take a hit in global credibility , resulting in negative consequences for the U.S. at all angles. I already suspect China making symbolic moves indicating this conflict....the Dagong International Credit Rating Co. revoking americas AAA status..... infact the head of the agency pinpointed america as the source of the global financial crisis. its not farfetched for a chinese-american conflict to arise based on current political and economic differences.
They rely on imported oil. Where do they get that oil? The middle east. Who controls the middle east?
As WWII proved, he whom controls the oil, controls the world.
What's valuable in the DPRK?
Iran on the other hand..
Their could be some decent shit there. NK is a backwards, broke ass shit hole. I bet less than 10% of the place has been assayed for mineral wealth.
Here is a little info to back up that hunch dr rocker.
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Knowing the lack of development that has taken place in the DPRK as compared to the southern part of the peninsula. It is easy to see why the developed nations of the UN are looking to crush the north to get at all those unspoiled goodies.
You hope who wipes who off the map?