I resign.
fanglekai
Regular
Hi, everyone. Effective immediately I’m resigning as mod of S&A. After seeing how DirtySanchez has been treated I can no longer stand to be mod of anything on totse.info. Despite what anyone had to say about him, Dirty was a good contributor and one of the top posters on totse. He tried to generate discussion and do his best as a mod. He banned Yoda (The Dark Rodent’s Alt that Dfg allowed in order to “test” the mods) for spamming up the serious forums. I agree with his decision 100%. If totse is to flourish it must not allow people to derail threads and spam outside of HB and SG. I completely disagree with dfg in the matter, and I made multiple posts on the issue. Dfg ignored what DirtySanchez and I had to say and instead decided to support The Dark Rodent. That’s fine, but I’m not going to stick around if that’s how he treats people who have been working hard for the site even when lots of members said it would fail.
I argued in August that multiple accounts should not be allowed for anyone. He claimed he would fix the issue but did nothing. It’s January now. Not only did he fail to act, he allowed people like The Dark Rodent to have multiple accounts to “test” the mods. I find that ridiculous and insulting, and I have no desire to be a part of a site where spammers are given priority over people who have contributed for months on end. Dfg failed to trust his mods. He thought he could “test” the mods with spam and expect us to take it lying down. Many users didn’t like the spam posting, but only DirtySanchez did something about it. This was one spammer. Imagine 150. Imagine 1000. That’s how totse.com was. You all say you hate the spam on zoklet. Dfg invites it here by not trusting any of the mods to have correct judgment.
I don’t regret my time on the site, but unfortunately it’s come to an end. Sorry if this upsets anyone. If you really want to get in contact with me you can email me at [email protected] or find me on #rimjobs. Otherwise, stay safe and enjoy life. I’m out.
I argued in August that multiple accounts should not be allowed for anyone. He claimed he would fix the issue but did nothing. It’s January now. Not only did he fail to act, he allowed people like The Dark Rodent to have multiple accounts to “test” the mods. I find that ridiculous and insulting, and I have no desire to be a part of a site where spammers are given priority over people who have contributed for months on end. Dfg failed to trust his mods. He thought he could “test” the mods with spam and expect us to take it lying down. Many users didn’t like the spam posting, but only DirtySanchez did something about it. This was one spammer. Imagine 150. Imagine 1000. That’s how totse.com was. You all say you hate the spam on zoklet. Dfg invites it here by not trusting any of the mods to have correct judgment.
I don’t regret my time on the site, but unfortunately it’s come to an end. Sorry if this upsets anyone. If you really want to get in contact with me you can email me at [email protected] or find me on #rimjobs. Otherwise, stay safe and enjoy life. I’m out.
Comments
If you want someone to tell you that you will be missed, fine, if you no longer want to be a mod, the site will be poorer for that fact. But it will still be here, you just won't have that funky drop down.
C/O
"I can has waffle snowman?"
states Rolf
The Dark Rodent should never have been allowed to "test" the mods with his bullshit. He was spamming. He was being counterproductive. He was annoying everybody. To be very honest, I was seriously considering leaving this place because TDR was taking over every thread with his anti-DS bullshit and nobody was doing anything about it.
DFG, you need to get it together. When you make somebody a mod, let him be a mod. Some will be stricter, some will be less strict. Some will allow entertaining trolls, some will remove every off-topic post. That's the way it is. That's what gives every sub-forum it's own atmosphere. The technical forums are moderated a lot stricter than the general forums, there's SG to talk about anything sensible not fitting in any other forum, there's HB for anything only half sensible and there's the trashcan for the trash. No deletes, but also no spam in anything but the trash.
As long as the mods have a valid reason to ban somebody and have tried other methods of resolving the conflict they should be allowed to do so. If there really is a conflict about a ban, do what you always said you would do and let the community decide. You are not the community. We all respect the ammount of work you've put into this site, but you cannot decide on such things. TDR is in one word a bully. He was bullying DS and the whole forum with him. DS sucked it up until he started spamming in his forums with a second account (which is not allowed AFAIK). In my opinion the ban was just.
Yes, Totse is freedom of speech. However, when you fill every thread in a serious forum with trolling, you don't deserve to keep posting. There is no excuse. Testing the mods? Bullshit. Bullying DS was the personal project of TDR. And even if it wasn't and TDR truely tried to test the mods, there is still no excuse. Breaking the rules is breaking the rules. Period. You can't commit crimes and expect a free pass from the judge just by claiming you did it to test the police. There's no reason why it should work that way on Totse.
Also, the whole "testing the mods" logic is flawed. Yes, they are young and inexperienced, but the only way they will become experienced mods is by moderating. Experience will teach them what issues they need to react to quickly and which ones will reslove itself. If they do something which is unacceptable, do what you always said you would do and let the community decide.
You've disappointed me DFG, and I hope you will resolve this whole mess ASAP.
DRAMA!
Yes, it's part my fault but just getting mad about and quitting isn't going to help either. As I said in the warning, all it takes is one simple report or a simple PM. No one bother to give that approach a chance even when I stressed that point. Amie it's the same thing that got repeated on Zoklet. Mods take things lightly and become trigger happy. I know different people mod different and regarding the section DS wasn't a mod of Politics.
I am just trying to enforce some basic guidelines that safeguard the users and keep mods in check. Honestly, OP response about quitting isn't something that one would expect. You quit because you thought it's not working even when the person is making amends and trying to teach you. If you guys want me to back off and just venture in the wilderness I can.
But there is a way to handle things and we need to keep that in place. I wrote guides helped via Pm and even responded to others regarding this matter. We even had a thread dedicated to failtrolling created by the OP.
Consider if that user was real and trust me you will see much retarded users in the future. Under this rule he will get banned for flooding which wasn't even the right infraction.
Simple rules:
A) Yoda wasn't flooding. Flooding infraction was used after 31 posts when yoda responded in DS thread.
C) When you see a problematic user use the report feature to notify others.
D) Mods can moderate in other sections unless it's spam bots or someone is flooding/defacing totse.
What I saw was a complete chain break. If Yoda was that destructive someone would have reported about it. No one, did. I mean you have the tools to use why are you not using them. If I don't enforce these rules than newer mods will continue doing this.
I hate creating drama and you're just moving in that direction. Instead of learning and avoiding this now everyone is going to get mad at this and try to take everything down. It's quit predictable behaviour but if you want to Mod you better be capable of handling the heat.
FTR, the Yoda account was locked and all posts removed. It was a 6 second job.
EDIT: FUCK, I could have done something productive instead of replying to the same old drama. Damn, you guys.
Regardless of how much worse it could be or is going to be, he was annoying everybody and contributing next to nothing so he deserved action taken against him. And when a couple threads were made about it and he came with his whole "experienced master hardening the young padawans" explaination you acted like it was OK by you for him to act that way. Like you were happy he tested your mods.
I know. Fanglekai's reaction is an overreaction IMO.
Nope, we don't.
I wasn't bothered much by the Yoda troll and I don't think a lot of people were. TDR was destructive, Yoda was just something I skipped reading. However, I can imagine DS was getting fed up of being picked on by TDR-Yoda and treating 'em as the same person as they are the same person. I wasn't aware DS stepped outside of his territory as a mod and I agree that is not acceptable.
Nobody's trying to take everything down. I just don't get some of the stuff that's going on here. And it may sound like drama, but I'm just speaking my mind (free speech and all). It seems like things got slightly out of hand in this whole issue, and it's quite hard to see what exactly is going on as a user (in an EU time zone nonetheless). It seemed this was becoming a politics issue and I hate it when things start being ruled by politics, 'cause that's when common sense is left behind.
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I had to remove DS because you went overboard. Even I wouldn't do that to totse. It was a mistake on my part for making you a mod. I will not repeat this mistake again. I am revoking your CMS access as well.
This again is countermeasure to protect users post. It's something that I value. I would suggest you calm the fuck down.
I already know TDR history. But when he created the ALT he requested for permission and he told me he will not troll but instead try to create a unique style like rolf or brandon. I was hoping to see something unique and yes it could be considered a test but honestly brandon was a test for me as well. But I tried my very best to get used to it. Even today I can't really understand his posts. Same applies to other things. This whole thing just happened on it's own.
But if you ask me I am glad it happened.
Read this: http://www.totse.info/bbs/showthread.php?t=9473
I saw something which was and still is unexpected from OP. Hell, even the warnings and everything were removed from DS profile. Everything was reversed but no, that wasn't enough for some people.
It was at that point the DS did himself and the community a disservice by abusing his authority and banning an account for something that was simply not done, to wit, flooding. When a mod is upset at a user who is not breaking any rules and uses his access to extra buttons to settle their own personal upsets the entire community is in danger.
We all know DFG and how calm he is about most everything online. While I was not part of any communication between DFG and DS I can't imagine the DFG came down on DS like a ton of bricks. What I can imagine is DS going off all hot headed and half cocked after DFG reversed his ban of the Yoda account.
My intentions were never to test anyone or anything with the Yoda account. I created the account to give Totse.info a unique "character" that could provide insight and humor at the same time. DS, at first, was supportive and entertained by this account. Then, when the account disagreed with him and his latest pet political/spiritual fad/faze his butt hurt flared up and he allowed his emotions to write a check his ass could not cash.
Here is the truly telling aspect for those who know how to see. I am certain that any advice which DFG had to give DS about the error of his ways was constructive and calm. I am also sure it was discreet. But how does he react? Just as poorly as fanglekai has in this OP.
If you make a decision to take actions that are not only beyond your authority but are also not within the rules of engagement and those over you calmly correct your actions there are three ways you can handle it.
- You can accept that you made a mistake and learn from it.
- You can pay lip service to your "boss" giving him the impression that you have learned from but continue down the same road.
- You can kick and scream at him on your final time out the door.
It seems that fanglekai has chosen option 3. This is a classic case of two young kids who let a small amount of authority go to their heads. DS's reaction to the Yoda account disagreeing with his OP and doing it on topic was right on par with the way Zos and FlabbyShark handle things over at Zoklet.I would like to ask fanglekai and DS to reconsider their course and choose option 1 from above. While DS is obviously confused as hell when it comes to politics and is full of fear and hate when it comes to anything different he could still make a decent enough mod, by virtue of his contributions, were he to but learn the lesson that is to be had here.
As for fanglekai, he simply needs to learn that just because you have access to a few extra buttons does not mean that you are automatically right on every issue concerning how the community should be operated. He was butt hurt when I was openly coming at DS to see if this community was any different than Zoklet. As a result he made his thread with the poll to ban "fail trolls". When the community did not agree with him he refused to learn from the points of view that were presented. He even went so far as to make up some wild story about how he had planned the whole thing just to get me to post better.
This was just a classic butt hurt attempt to revise events and save face. Now that his buddy DS had an ban reversed which should not have occurred he is taking the classic Eric Cartman butt hurt pose as he yells "Screw you guys, I'm goin. home". If this if not a direct indication of his maturity level and inability to swallow his pride when a mistake is made then I don't know what is.
There are always going to be those who don't like me or the way I go about things. I have no problem with that. I am not here on this board or IRL to be liked. I am here to share my knowledge, my wisdom, and to prevent injustice to the best of my ability. If my methods seem unorthodox they are. When it comes to he Yoda account I never had any intentions of using it as an ends to a means. However, last night, when DS warned the account for flooding a door opened. I walked through it and used the contents on the other side to try and help a young mod see the error of his ways. He chose the wrong path and was presumably reprimanded for his poor choice.
If DS and fanglekai had learned form this experience the best possible outcome for the community could have been realized. That they did not learn from it and seem to be taking their crayons and leaving is the second best outcome for Totse. Had they both stayed on without any of this coming to light and continued to mod and grow in their false sense that they are above the law would have been the worst possible outcome for all.
In closing I would like to ask both DS and fanglekai to man up, take their lumps, learn from it, and grow as both people and mods. If you your pride is to great for you to swallow then I guess it is for the best that you resign.
http://www.totse.info/bbs/showpost.php?p=116559&postcount=16
A spam post is a post where you get nothing out of it, or a post that repetitively appears after you've already received the message, but it is NOT a post we just don't like the looks of. Most mods don't get that, but we need mods who do.
{edit} jk... feels good to attack an admin after a week of fasting
Don't worry about it. You didn't do that much harm and I agree it was a bit unexpected. But we all learned something from it. Especially me.
As for the lack of Global Mods well I added 2 more and I will add 2 more later on. But again, MA is a sensitive issue not everyone is good when it comes to checking IPs and matching things.
Plus, LSA King is active and if something happens you just need to PM him. On top of that you have 2 Admins and countless ways to tackle a situation.
I think I should make a quiz and hand them to all mods and see what they would do in a given situation. That might reduce future mistakes. Not everyone is a mod material madi and you need tons of patience to work things out.
But on the other hand you can't really point things. I always said to be vocal about it. Fanglekai complained about no Moderator Training, I wrote a guide about it as soon as I saw it. I told him why didn't he notify me earlier and he said he just saw it today.
I can't predict future. You have to be vocal about things so I can fix it. Fanglekai wanted more mods. Two new ones will be added shortly another 4 are on the way.
As for the MA account, hell guys you have guest posting enabled forum wide. Why would you even go after MA accounts in such a fashion? Anyway, the best way I see is to revise the rules and moderation guides and add more mods.
According to the revised method I do send a personal Pm and wait for the user to respond and then give him a week to work things out then comeback. I will add a dem-mod usergroup to limit abuse for a while until the mod is comfortable with everything.
The Pogo's attempt at imitating the mightiness that is The Most Serene Grand Duke Rolf XXVI of Rolfheim has caused utter chaos, why? asks Rolf, for it is foolish for mere mortals to imitate such greatness! answers Rolf.
Really? :fap:
:thumbsup: Good luck on your future endeavors :thumbsup:
What has happened to the internet?
BANT NAOW
srsly
TO.
THE.
GROUND.
I'd feel honored if he let me fellate him.
*slouches off with rounded shoulders*
DirtySanchez
I hope you learned a lesson from all of this. I'm very glad you have decided to stick with the community. While I don't always agree with your opinions your insight is valuable to me because you think in directions my brain just wont sometimes. Seeing things from a different angle is one of the many perks that I love about being a totsean. Don't make any decisions while really drunk though, half the time it doesn't go well.
Fanglekai
I'm going to miss your insight on sex and relationships. You (and several other members) helped me out a lot with my current relationship and I can't thank you enough for that. Your resignation because of these events would be regretful if not for the injustice of your unforgivable deleting of posts. For that I want to say a big FUCK YOU. Stop being a butthurt kidiot and come back to at least post since you obviously shouldn't moderate.
TheDarkRodent:
I don't think you did anythink wrong. I do think you were somewhat testing the limitations of DS whether you knew it or not but I don't have a problem with that either. Yoda should not have been banned. Hell, there wasn't even a cause for infraction that I've seen. The least that could have been done was a pm.
Dfg:
I hope you found out what you needed to from this whole fiasco. Good job using TDR. Hope you find good and suitable replacements.
Yep, I learned a few things from things and hopefully in future we can avoid this. I also SAW some major loopholes which need to be fixed ASAP. But again I love it how everyone just went ahead and didn't end up in a circle jerk of hate. I am sure fanglekai will be back and then we can move on. These things happen it's best we learn from it. I will make few announcements once the self ban expires. I will address these issues directly and offer solutions which the community can discuss and work on. Also, I will need a new agreement document for Mods that will make things a bit official. Number one would be no butthurt and egotistical decisions and number would be trusting in the community voice.
The rest we can work on as time goes by.
How the hell can a guy feel "humble" with a legacy like this to live up to? :cool:
Just keep on keepin' on...and get better with age is all I can try. :thumbsup:
Thanks DFG, it warmed the very cockles of my heart and soul reading these words....and I'm gonna try my best to make you all proud.
Now I just wish Fang will swallow his/her pride and rejoin our little haven from the cancerous elements out there. I certainly respect fanglekai's motive for resigning... concern for a fellow Templar... this is very commendable and worthy of a bow of the head at least. Hopefully we can come to some kind of consensus on this entire fiasco.
Thanks bud....always filled with surprises, ain't I?
Don't know if you have any Sam's Clubs in the great white north up your way.....but I just picked up a multi-case deal on body bags running through January. At this price poor Lil Guru is gonna be one hefty fuckin ox once its all said and done.....cuz he's the poor sap digging all those graves for me. :cool: