The Problem of Evil

DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
edited July 2010 in Spurious Generalities
1.God exists
2.God is omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good
3.A perfectly good being would want to prevent all evils.
4.An omniscient being knows every way in which evils can come into existence.
5.An omnipotent being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence has the power to prevent that evil from coming into existence.
6.A being who knows every way in which an evil can come into existence, who is able to prevent that evil from coming into existence, and who wants to do so, would prevent the existence of that evil.
7.If there exists an omnipotent, omniscient, and perfectly good being, then no evil exists.
8.Evil exists

So lets discuss this age old argument against religion.

Comments

  • AnonymousAnonymous Regular
    edited July 2010
    God made evil so that there could be free will in order that there could be free will.

    (The only thing I could come up with.)
  • CaesarCaesar Regular
    edited July 2010
    Humans invented evil so they would have a proper pretense to treat each other in a very crappy way in order to enforce whatever flavor of good is in vouge at any given point.
  • ObbeObbe Regular
    edited July 2010
    God is not some maker who created us and everything, God is us, and we are everything. We are both good and evil, and all other seeming contradictory opposites. Yin and yang.
  • Big baby jesusBig baby jesus Regular
    edited July 2010
    ^yea

    Evil is ignorance of the way, straying from the path as it were. We are in God's fold and the only Shepard is our given conscience.
  • L33tzL33tz Regular
    edited July 2010
    1. God creates a rock he cannot lift
    2. Lifts it anyway
    3. Shatters your logic
    4. You die from witnessing such an event
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited July 2010
    L33tz wrote: »
    1. God creates a rock he cannot lift
    2. Lifts it anyway
    3. Shatters your logic
    4. You die from witnessing such an event

    Thats always what I though on the whole rock paradox. Our logic cant be shit compared to some all knowing all powerful being.
  • ImaginariumImaginarium Regular
    edited July 2010
    Applying logic to religion fails. It starts off illogical, it demands the magical facts of existence, not mental musing. You fail right off the bat, anyway, "God exists" - "God" must necessarily transcend existence, by being the cause for it. If He existed before existence then how could it be said that he exists? That would mean he would have to change, which is unthinkable.
  • ArmsMerchantArmsMerchant Acolyte
    edited July 2010
    OP's statement number 3 is where the chain breaks, I think.

    For one thing, at the Highest level, there is no such thing as good or evil. At our level, what we call evil is necessary--without it, the concept of good would be meaningless.

    For another, the list leaves out one key concept--free will.
  • DailyDaily Regular
    edited July 2010
    If God is so omnipotent, why didn't he allow us free will but without the evil?

    But then again, free will with a missing aspect of control is not really free will.

    BUT if God DID give us free will without the evil, then evil would never occur, so we would never think of evil. So HE defines free will, not us.

    Who knows, there could be some kind of missing aspect of our free will, but we just don't know it since it has never existed and thus cannot be created in our minds since inspiration is what causes imagination and creativity.
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