FBI demands Wikipedia remove FBI Seal

MayberryMayberry Regular
edited August 2010 in Spurious Generalities
http://www.cnn.com/2010/TECH/web/08/03/fbi.seal.wikipedia/index.html?eref=mrss_igoogle_cnn
(CNN) -- The U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation has threatened Wikipedia with legal action if the online encyclopedia doesn't remove the FBI's seal from its site.

The seal is featured in an encyclopedia entry about the FBI.

Wikipedia isn't backing down, however. The online encyclopedia -- which is run by a nonprofit group and is edited by the public -- sent a chiding letter to the FBI, explaining why, in its view, the FBI is off its legal rocker.

"In short, then, we are compelled as a matter of law and principle to deny your demand for removal of the FBI Seal from Wikipedia and Wikimedia Commons," the Wikimedia Foundation's general counsel, Mike Godwin, wrote in a letter to the FBI, which was posted online by the New York Times.

"We are in contact with outside counsel in this matter, and we are prepared to argue our view in court."

The whimsically written letter from Wikipedia says the FBI's reading of relevant law is both "idiosyncratic" and "more importantly, incorrect." It also notes that the FBI's seal appears on other websites, including in an online entry from Encyclopedia Britannica.

In a letter dated July 22, and also posted online by the Times, the FBI told Wikipedia it must remove the bureau's seal because the FBI had not approved use of the image.

"The FBI has not authorized use of the FBI seal on Wikipedia," the letter says. "The inclusion of a high quality graphic of the FBI seal on Wikipedia is particularly problematic, because it facilitates both deliberate and unwitting" copying and reprinting of the seal's image.

The FBI's deputy general counsel, David Larson, cities a particular law that says duplicating an official "insignia" is illegal without permission.

But Wikipedia strikes back on that point, saying the FBI redacted the most important part of that U.S. code, which defines an insignia as "any badge, identification card, or other insignia."

"Badges and identification cards are physical manifestations that may be used by a possessor to invoke the authority of the federal government. An encyclopedia article is not," Wikipedia's letter says. "The use of the image on Wikipedia is not for the purpose of deception or falsely to represent anyone as an agent of the federal government."

The Wikipedia letter also adds:

"Even if it could be proved that someone, somewhere, found a way to use a Wikipedia article illustration to facilitate a fraudulent representation, that would not render the illustration itself unlawful under the statute."

It's unclear if this tussle -- which has already made its way into a Wikipedia entry on the FBI's seal -- will be taken to court. For now, the tech press is weighing in, often with amazement.

On the blog BoingBoing, Rob Beschizza writes that this is a no-win situation for the FBI.

"The part that's hard to understand is why the FBI would seek to abuse the law in such petulant fashion," he writes, "knowing that it will be subject to public ridicule for its actions."

The magazine Vanity Fair posted the FBI's seal on its website in a symbol of jest. And, as the blog Geekosystem says, an editor on the site aggregator Reddit jokes that maybe the FBI got Wikipedia confused with WikiLeaks -- the site that's been causing a stir lately over leaked war documents.

Cindy Cohn, from the Electronic Frontier Foundation, told the New York Times, which first reported this story, that she found the whole ordeal to be "silly" and "troubling."

Is the US government really that butthurt over its lack of control of the internet? I mean come on, it's a picture that serves only to educate. I'm glad Canada still has net neutrality in mind, but for how long, I don't know. Some people just won't be happy until they have everything under their own control.

Comments

  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited August 2010
    :facepalm: How in the hell does a picture of the FBI's symbol harm them in any way? So I guess every book and website and movie to ever show the seal has gotten express written permission. Like you said the government wont be satisfied until they control every aspect of life. The internet hurts that goal. This is just about power nothing more.
  • KatzenklavierKatzenklavier Regular
    edited August 2010
    Quick, save the svg file!
  • DailyDaily Regular
    edited August 2010
    This is disgustingly retarded and I hope every FBI agent gets shat upon by diseased seagulls.
  • TheGreenDoctorTheGreenDoctor Regular
    edited August 2010
    Someone should impersonate a federal agent, and if they get caught, they should mention that they got the logo from Wikipedia.
  • edited August 2010
    I'm going to enjoy seeing the FBI get their fucking mouths shut in court.

    EDIT: Also, FBI are cunts.
  • VickyVicky Regular
    edited August 2010
    Someone somewhere working for the FBI must have been very bored.
  • D7D7 Regular
    edited August 2010
    First they sue wiki for hosting sexual content and child-porn related image now this
    I wonder what next
  • Big baby jesusBig baby jesus Regular
    edited August 2010
    I liked that part about the FBI abusing the law in a petulant fashion. Cuz you know, it's not like that's their thing :o
  • edited August 2010
    First they sue wiki for hosting sexual content and child-porn related image now this
    I wonder what next

    They're probably pissed off about some article that Wikipedia has that the FBI perceives as damaging to their reputation or something. Seriously, take five minutes to look at Wikipedia and check out all the dirt you can find on them. Shitty things they've done, corruption, etc.

    From the main article: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI#FBI_knowingly_assisted_in_wrongful_conviction_of_murder
  • ScoobyScooby Acolyte
    edited August 2010
    Mayberry wrote: »
    I'm glad Canada still has net neutrality in mind, but for how long, I don't know. Some people just won't be happy until they have everything under their own control.

    What the fuck are you going on about? The FBI does not reflect the overall government's take on net neutrality at all. The current administration is very supportive of keeping the internet deregulated. Stop throwing in stupid side comments.
  • MayberryMayberry Regular
    edited August 2010
    Scooby wrote: »
    What the fuck are you going on about? The FBI does not reflect the overall government's take on net neutrality at all. The current administration is very supportive of keeping the internet deregulated. Stop throwing in stupid side comments.

    I can see how the wording of my post could've been misread. I just meant that I'm supportive of Canada's stance of net neutrality and our government agencies don't get butthurt over such petty things. Less petty things, sure, but not this petty.
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