Gay Marriage
DirtySanchez
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What is your position on this issue? With prop 8 overturned then reinstated this could go to the supreme court soon. I'm strongly opposed to it. If they want civil union's that is fine but they should stop pushing for it to be called marriage. Marriage is a God defined institution meant for a man and a woman. It just seems like another step to destroying any morality in America.
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Personally, I think that gay marriage should be allowed. Why not? Unlike some, I don't see gay people as being some kind of subspecies or social outcast. For the most part, they're more normal than a lot of straight people I know.
Well I guess that's your opinion, even though I do see it as an antediluvian idea.
Did you choose to be straight, AM33N? Perhaps you were you brainwashed into being straight by your heterosexual parents? You make it seem like gays choose to be gay. That's like saying they choose to be ridiculed, bullied and made fun of. Who, in what state of mind would choose that?
I would rather see an adopted child in the hands of a gay couple than in an orphanage. Again, archaic view, but that is your opinion so I respect that. Good luck with such a narrow view though
Nobody can give a good reason to deny somebody this right.
I think people need to beware and really think of the consequences of our country telling God he doesn't matter anymore. There could be grave repercussions for doing that. How is the word of our lord outdated?
Gay marriage =/= Declaration that god doesn't matter.
Seriously though, god doesn't matter when it comes to the law.
Abandoning god is exactly the reason our country is going to shit. Cant you see we were founded as a God fearing nation and we were blessed. Now look at all the natural disasters the economy the moral decay. All that is at least in part because we've abandoned Yahweh. When we said God isn't welcome in schools or in public places. If we turn our backs on God he will turn his back on us. Gay marriage is just another step in that downward spiral.
Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is an abomination.(Leviticus 18:22 KJV)
If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.(Leviticus 20:13 KJV)
26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. Romans 1:26–27
I oppose Gay marriage because of religious and moral reasons. It's wrong and it's deviant. I know I'm gonna get shit for saying this but how do we know something like hurricane Katrina didn't hit New Orleans because of how immoral they had become. We need to wake up as a society. God has destroyed nations before whose to say he wont do it again if he turn our backs on him. I'm not joking or trolling I'm being dead serious. Armageddon will come but I believe we can prevent it from happening in our lifetime. Gay marriage can not be allowed. The consequences could be great.
Seriously ? do you believe that gay genes theory stuff ? that some of us are just born gay ? Anyway thanks for respecting my opinion, however I stand strong against gay people adopting kids. My view is not archaic as it seems, it's a fact. How do you suppose the human generation evolved and withstood time ? by being gay ? If all of us were gay we would've become instinct a long time ago, lol. As DirtySanchez said God is not feared anymore, people don't think of the consequences anymore, this is what is leading us into our own destruction. Even though I might sound like a hypocrite, what DirtySanchez said is identical to the Islamic beliefs. I'm not trying to start a religious flamewar here, I just wanted to point that out :- P
Ur dumb
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.... and you really do believe that? the internet is great :thumbsup:
http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t107498/
^^^ Thats a good link if you'd like to learn more.
I do believe that people are born gay. I know a few gay people, and I don't think that they or anyone else would ever have chose to be ridiculed for their sexuality etc.
No offense, but there is no fact to be had when it comes to gay couples adopting children. Having two fathers or two mothers is no worse than a derelict family who bring their young children up amidst their drug and substance abuse - in fact, it's far better.
As for the human race becoming extinct as a result of homosexuality. That just isn't true as homosexuality is not a new thing. It has been around for millenia though only the past one hundred years have homosexuals (to an extent) been liberated. Further more on the extinction of the human race, if we were facing extinction the world's population wouldn't have quadrupled over the past hundred years.
I'm not a believer in God, again, I don't believe in archaic practices, no offense to you or anyone else. Just not my cup of tea. I just believe in having a liberal outlook on life.
You never know. I wouldn't put too much effort into arguing with him, just in case he is. Just refute the point and be on your way.
If speaking the truth is trolling. Then yes I am a troll. Is anyone opposed to gay marriage a troll?
I'd say its more your nonsensical arguments but hey...Suit yourself.
"Negative stereotypes characterize LGB people as less romantically stable, more promiscuous and more likely to abuse children, but there is no scientific basis to such assertions. Gay men and lesbians form stable, committed relationships that are equivalent to heterosexual relationships in essential respects.[2] Sexual orientation does not affect the likelihood that people will abuse children.[98][188][189] Claims that there is scientific evidence to support an association between being gay and being a pedophile are based on misuses of those terms and misrepresentation of the actual evidence."
If it's not natural, then why do animals do it?
"Homosexual behavior in animals refers to the documented evidence of homosexual, bisexual and transgender behavior in non-human animals. Such behaviors include sex, courtship, affection, pair bonding, and parenting. Homosexual and bisexual behavior are widespread in the animal kingdom: a 1999 review by researcher Bruce Bagemihl shows that homosexual behavior has been observed in close to 1500 species, ranging from primates to gut worms, and is well documented for 500 of them"
You let your religious beliefs blind you to the real facts.
Animals also eat there own shit and in some species they eat there children. Does that mean this would be acceptable for a human to do so? I know there's separation of church and state but marriage is a religious institution.
But it also provides people with rights, rights that gay people are denied. It is not just about marriage, it's about all these rights that they are being denied
Personally, I think gay marriage is a slippery slope, and I oppose it's legalization at the federal level (not opposed to it at the state level). But I fully support civil unions that would grant all the rights of a traditional marriage.
Also, I think it's absurd that Prop. 8 was overturned. Judicial tyranny is never acceptable.
I'm actually in favor of giving them the same rights as married couples in civil unions. I'm just opposed to calling it marriage and there insistence on calling it marriage bothers me.
Shitty argument is shitty. :facepalm:
If it's a slippery slope, why should it be allowed anywhere? Also, I'm pretty sure the gays want to be married, not civil-union'd.
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Which part of his decision did you disagree with most, and why? I think you're just confused as to how our government works. We live in what's called a republic. While there are democratic elements to a republic, it is not a direct democracy. In the United States, a law which conflicts with the constitution (Or its amendments) cannot be allowed. A law which denies gay couples the right to marry (Which has been established through case-law to be a fundamental right in America) is such a law.
As an American, why do you think it is okay to deny one group the rights that another group has (In this case, the fundamental right to marry)? If you cite religion, I'd be compelled to ask where you place your loyalties, in the Bible or in the Constitution.
I'm saying that marriage (Including the right to choose who you marry (Obviously, within reason)) is a fundamental right, and that as the constitution is currently written, denying gay couples the right to marry is unconstitutional.
Also, the equal protection clause sort of fucks with your argument. Allowing one group of adults a right and denying it to another based on sexual orientation isn't allowed.
Children and small animals.
I mean consenting adults, what the fuck do you think?
I don't care one way or another about polygamy.
The purpose of the government recognizing the religious institution of marriage despite church/state boundaries was to promote and stabilize the family unit during the cold war. This was done because they (rightly) believed that this would lead to prosperity and economic strength.
For once, gays aren't trying to force the government to NOT recognize something of a religious nature, they're trying to take advantage of it. Ideologically inconsistent? Hypocritical? Not really. They're not just demanding recognition of the same civil contract, they're demanding that it be legally referred to as "marriage". This is a strategic move to smear anything resembling Christianity, thus staying within the bounds of their twisted ideals.
As for gays adopting kids.... Sex with children is openly promoted and accepted in the gay community, and they wonder why nobody trusts them with kids.
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You ass, marriage was a legal and fundamental right long before the cold war.
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Gays want to be able to be legally married because they don't think that they should have to settle for less than real marriage (According to the constitution, they don't) and because legal marriage comes with numerous legal benefits that effect a couples taxes, health insurance, etc.
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Nigga, u stoopid.
Source?
People could never marry animals. Animals aren't able to reason or own property and thus cannot enter into a legally binding contract.
http://www.churchoftrueisrael.com/nsforum/ns38.html
http://www.familyresearchinst.org/2008/12/child-molestation-and-homosexuality/
Also My Awakening By David Duke has some very good sources on this.
I dont care if they get Civil Unions and have the same rights as married couples. They just shouldn't call it marriage and they shouldn't adopt kids.
You're flat-out making shit up. Marriage isn't even defined in the Constitution, you dipshit. And the US government didn't start granting benefits to married couples until the cold war. Which, btw, is a blatant violation of the seperation between church and state. This blatant violation is the reason gays are now demanding that the US recognize their deviancy. Had the US not bestowed special rights to a religious institution (marriage, during the cold war) in the first place, we wouldn't be in this mess.
Let's see those faggots petition the government to STOP recognizing straight marriage, but that would be consistent with their ideology, and we all know libs are the most inconsistent and hypocritical people around.
2 people have just as much of a right to get married as they do to pray, that much is guaranteed, but whether or not the government must recognize that marriage is what's being debated, jackass. And I support gays having the same rights as normal people. It's their belligerent insistence that it be called marriage that is keeping them from advancing their agenda. Marriage is not, and never was a union between 2 people of the same sex.
* Right to benefits while married:
- employment assistance and transitional services for spouses of members being separated from military service; continued commissary privileges
- per diem payment to spouse for federal civil service employees when relocating
- Indian Health Service care for spouses of Native Americans (in some circumstances)
- sponsor husband/wife for immigration benefits
- Larger benefits under some programs if married, including:
- veteran's disability
- Supplemental Security Income
- disability payments for federal employees
- medicaid
- property tax exemption for homes of totally disabled veterans
- income tax deductions, credits, rates exemption, and estimates
- wages of an employee working for one's spouse are exempt from federal unemployment tax
* Joint and family-related rights:- joint filing of bankruptcy permitted
- joint parenting rights, such as access to children's school records
- family visitation rights for the spouse and non-biological children, such as to visit a spouse in a hospital or prison
- next-of-kin status for emergency medical decisions or filing wrongful death claims
- custodial rights to children, shared property, child support, and alimony after divorce
- domestic violence intervention
- access to "family only" services, such as reduced rate memberships to clubs & organizations or residency in certain neighborhoods
* Preferential hiring for spouses of veterans in government jobs* Tax-free transfer of property between spouses (including on death) and exemption from "due-on-sale" clauses.
* Special consideration to spouses of citizens and resident aliens
* Threats against spouses of various federal employees is a federal crime
* Right to continue living on land purchased from spouse by National Park Service when easement granted to spouse
* Court notice of probate proceedings
* Domestic violence protection orders
* Existing homestead lease continuation of rights
* Regulation of condominium sales to owner-occupants exemption
* Funeral and bereavement leave
* Joint adoption and foster care
* Joint tax filing
* Insurance licenses, coverage, eligibility, and benefits organization of mutual benefits society
* Legal status with stepchildren
* Making spousal medical decisions -
* Spousal non-resident tuition deferential waiver
* Permission to make funeral arrangements for a deceased spouse, including burial or cremation
* Right of survivorship of custodial trust
* Right to change surname upon marriage
* Right to enter into prenuptial agreement
* Right to inheritance of property
* Spousal privilege in court cases (the marital confidences privilege and the spousal testimonial privilege)
* For those divorced or widowed, the right to many of ex- or late spouse's benefits, including:
So you link to a baptist site, a pro-white site, and then a 3rd with Kirk Cameron as a source? I meant actual sources, like Journals of Medicine, Journals of Psychiatry or something academic and credible.
Until I see studies done by credible professors/professionals published in peer-reviewed journals, I'm not going to buy your claim. They should be able to adopt kids and marry. I mean seriously, how can people not think it's skewed in favor of heterosexuals? It's like being a little kid and having the "no girls allowed" fort. It's bullshit and shouldn't be happening in America of all places.
The problem is you cant get funding for any study's unless they show the pro homosexual side. Homosexuality was classified as a mental disorder in the DSM diagnostics manual until 1972 when pro homosexual groups forced them to change the entry. Were so politically correct that it influences science now. Will you at least admit that it's not normal behavior? When it comes down to it sex's first function is procreation. Since homosexuals cant procreate than by definition it isn't normal. Think about how it will fuck the kids up for life if they have gay parents. It's not a normal environment. Sure there are some terrible straight couples that should never have a kid but still I dont see it as right for gays to adopt because then the kids will begin to view it as normal behavior. It's just another step in the destruction of American values.
They changed it because faggotry doesn't fit the definition of a mental illness, lol (Please look up "mental illness" and read what it says before you respond).
Denying people their fundamental rights is an American value?
By the way, the adopted children of gay couples have the same rates of homosexuality as all of the other kids in the country.
p.s. maybe you should get out of the small town and lose the social stigma attached?
I never even considered this as an argument. The thing is, most Americans are protestant, and I think it's only the Catholics that are against divorce.
It seems actual studies show there are no difference on children because of their parents sexuality.
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a904829598
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1467-8624.2004.00823.x/abstract
http://www.informaworld.com/smpp/content~db=all~content=a903768135
Thanks for the stats, Vicky.
Ok, look. Lots of shit was classified as illness until recently. People knew less in the past about these things than we do now, so we're redefining things. Google transorbital lobotomy. That was a treatment for mental illness. We don't do that anymore either.
It has nothing to do with being repulsive to you. Will you agree that gays are still human? Can they be US citizens? If you agree with both of these points then you have no grounds whatsoever to deny them the same rights that every other citizen has, even niggers, spics, jews and chinks. Yeah, straight niggers have more rights than gay white people. Is that fair in your eyes?
Bestiality and pedophilia have nothing to do with gay marriage. Animals and children cannot consent to sexual activity because they lack reason. There are laws against these things because they're harmful to children and with animals it's considered animal cruelty.
Why shouldn't they adopt the kids who live in shitty group homes? At least they could be loved and cared for. Do you think some chink baby will give a shit if he has 2 dads or 2 moms? I think the kids living in shitty conditions would rather have a home to call their own and 2 parents who love them.
Destroying what America was about? What the fuck? The founding fathers didn't write shit about marriage. They owned slaves. Their behavior has nothing to do with the country now. We progress. We allow more people to have rights. Women can vote. People can drive. Non-whites can vote. Non-white, non-landowning males and females can vote. Shit changes. This argument holds no water.
When we get down to it you have no logical reasons why you don't like gay marriage. You claim there are studies. I already showed that the ones you linked to are flawed and inadmissible. You say it's "weird" and not "natural". Those are opinions and no basis for law.