Did the holocaust really happen?

DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
edited November 2010 in Spurious Generalities
I dont believe it happened as most history claims. Its ben established that there were no gas chambers and most died from disease due to the war effort. They were relocated because of there loyalty to communists and there anti German efforts. It is a fact that no zyklon B could be found in the supposed gas chambers. Its been proven that Rudolf Hoes was tortured into making false confessions. Another fact most people dont know is that 99 percent of whats claimed occurred during the holohoax cannot be proven scientifically at all. The event was made up to further Jewish interests.

www.ihr.org
http://www.resist.com/Articles/literature/66holocaust.htm
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  • Gary OakGary Oak Regular
    edited August 2010
    Yes it happened.
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited August 2010
    Gary Oak wrote: »
    Yes it happened.

    Theres very little evidence to support 6 million died contrary to what you think I'd say maybe 300,00 died.
  • Gary OakGary Oak Regular
    edited August 2010
    You know why they haven't built another World Trade Center in New York?
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited August 2010
    Gary Oak wrote: »
    You know why they haven't built another World Trade Center in New York?

    :confused:
  • Gary OakGary Oak Regular
    edited August 2010
    So people like yourself don't question it ever happened. (Like the Holocaust)
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited August 2010
    Gary Oak wrote: »
    So people like yourself don't question it ever happened. (Like the Holocaust)

    I question who was really behind it. Theres compelling evidence the Mossad were the main group behind the attacks. Also like I said all evidence points toweards a vastly exaggerated holocaust.
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited August 2010
    I'm pretty sure it happened because it would be kind of hard to fake the death of 6 million jews and 11 million in total but i guess there's no way to really know:confused:

    http://allphilosophy.com/topic/1586

    They actually have a problem because of the amount of Jews that left germany during the time. The before and after numbers of jews under nazi occupied territory actually works against the holocaust myth.
  • Big baby jesusBig baby jesus Regular
    edited August 2010
    What if Hitler like saw into the future and predicted Jews forming the state of Israel, creating massive turmoil in the middle east and ultimately leading to a near-extinction of the people on Earth; then tried to start the Holocaust to avoid all that, thus causing it? Too bad it's entirely not politically correct to make that movie.
  • fanglekaifanglekai Regular
    edited August 2010
    What if Hitler like saw into the future and predicted Jews forming the state of Israel, creating massive turmoil in the middle east and ultimately leading to a near-extinction of the people on Earth; then tried to start the Holocaust to avoid all that, thus causing it? Too bad it's entirely not politically correct to make that movie.

    Time Travel for Hitler. :o
  • RolfRolf Regular
    edited August 2010
    The Holocaust happened, it might sound surprising to some, but more than just Jews died, states The Rolf.

    The Rolf will state, however, that it has been Zionists who have continued to use the Holocaust in order to gain sympathy towards their semi-genocidal motives. Ooh, The Rolf is going to be called an anti-semite!
  • edited August 2010
    Your right in that it didn't happen in the way that it is often portraid in the media but to think that it didn't happen at all is altogether retarded.

    The numbers are exagerated. Yes. It is used to further Jewish interests. Yes. There was zyklon B found everywhere and I suspect that the term "gas chamber" would make you think that they are talking about chambers that have gas pumped in to them, they did not exist. What did exist where bunker-esq buildings with holes in the roof that the zyklon B was poured in to and the people inside would be left to breath in.

    The Nazis themselfs admit the wide use of zyklon B and it wasn't just Rudolf Hoes. Most claim that the majority of it was used for disinfectant and delousing though.

    You are applying the evidence from Aushwitz to the whole thing which is dumb.
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited August 2010
    Your right in that it didn't happen in the way that it is often portraid in the media but to think that it didn't happen at all is altogether retarded.

    The numbers are exagerated. Yes. It is used to further Jewish interests. Yes. There was zyklon B found everywhere and I suspect that the term "gas chamber" would make you think that they are talking about chambers that have gas pumped in to them, they did not exist. What did exist where bunker-esq buildings with holes in the roof that the zyklon B was poured in to and the people inside would be left to breath in.

    The Nazis themselfs admit the wide use of zyklon B and it wasn't just Rudolf Hoes. Most claim that the majority of it was used for disinfectant and delousing though.

    You are applying the evidence from Aushwitz to the whole thing which is dumb.

    No I apply everything Ive ever learned or read about the holocaust to come to my conclusions.
  • ashenbloodashenblood Acolyte
    edited August 2010
    No I apply everything Ive ever learned or read about the holocaust to come to my conclusions.

    so........ you havent learned much :p
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited August 2010
    ashenblood wrote: »
    so........ you havent learned much :p

    I can garuntee you I know more on the holocaust then you bra.
  • ashenbloodashenblood Acolyte
    edited August 2010
  • Big baby jesusBig baby jesus Regular
    edited August 2010
    This would make an awesome indie film:thumbsup:

    chaCHING-- ..wait, did you say Indie? :(.
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited August 2010
    ashenblood wrote: »

    Yes Ive read it and its all false and misleading evidene they provide.
  • seanicusseanicus New Arrival
    edited September 2010
    Gary Oak wrote: »
    You know why they haven't built another World Trade Center in New York?

    The new World Trade Center is currently 34ish stories high.
  • da teachada teacha Regular
    edited October 2010
    I've seen the gas chambers and spoken to Poles whose family members had died in the holocaust. I see absolutely no reason whatsoever why not only 1, but 2 people I taught would ever lie about such a thing.

    Whether dying from disease, inhumane conditions or Zyklon B, does it really matter? The fact is that Jews were persecuted and a shitload of them died as a result. 6 million may be an overexageration, but it doesn't really matter.

    Though it does get a disproportionate amount of coverage as opposed to the holodomor, or the genocide in Rwanda.
  • edited October 2010
    It's really not very difficult to believe.

    Also, from what I've seen, a disbelief in the holocaust is usually accompanied by antisemitism or bizarre conspiracy theories.

    EDIT: inb4alfredhitchcockwasafilthyzionist
  • GumboGumbo Regular
    edited October 2010
    When a theory is perpetuated almost solely by a bunch of white guys in South Carolina that have bolts tattooed onto their fuckin necks, it loses a lot of it's credibility.
  • fanglekaifanglekai Regular
    edited October 2010
    If there were some legit professors who were supporting this view with peer-reviewed research published in prestigious academic journals, I'd pay attention. Such research doesn't exist.
  • edited October 2010
    stfu faggot. You like the holocaust, why the fuck would you deny it?
  • edited October 2010
    Also like I said all evidence points toweards a vastly exaggerated holocaust.

    Present this evidence (Don't waste our time with the silly-as-shit sites that you usually use to back your arguments).

    EDIT:

    Also, in your opinion, if the holocaust as presented by history did indeed happen, would the actions taken by the Nazis have been acceptable? Would it have been wrong for them to attempt to exterminate Jews, Slavs, etc?
  • edited October 2010
    stfu faggot. You like the holocaust, why the fuck would you deny it?

    Aside from this, which is a good point, if you believe in the power of an autocratic national socialist form of government, then this should be a good example of the power such a government could wield. I have trouble believing that the level of exaggeration you suggest would be possible. The record keeping during that time might have been pretty shabby, but birth records were kept, and forensic historians have had years to piece together the personal timelines of people killed in concentration camps. Some of this work has probably been corrupted by Zionist sympathizers, but it is quite broad in scope, and includes research done by many non Jews. It also includes those who did not die in the camps but were either summarily executed, or starved to death in places like the Krakau ghetto.

    That said, I am not too keen on the Zionist view of the holocaust either, they usually portray it as a campaign directed specifically at Jews, when in reality it was a much more widespread attempt to exterminate opposition to the Nazi regime. Polish Partisans, homosexuals, dissident intellectuals, free speech advocates, prisoners of war not of officer rank, French Resistance members, Catholics, and many other persons considered both bothersome and expendable by hitler were killed in the camps. The propaganda value for Zionists of portraying it as specifically against Jews was used to gain support for the creation of the state of Israel and to justify the hunting and extradition of war criminals in the following decades.

    Another thing I take issue with is the term "THE Holocaust", how is it different than the other ethnic and political purges that have taken place?. The Maoist revolution, Stalins 3 year reforms, The Khmer Rouge in Cambodia, Bosnia?, Somalia?, do these ring a bell there Juden?, hell I'll throw in the French Revolution as well. To view "the" Holocaust in full historical perspective you must acknowledge that it was just one of a series of politically motivated acts undertaken through the years by political movements that used oppression, de-humanization of the enemy, and outright slaughter as a means to an end.

    The holocaust did happen, and like the other events I mentioned, immense cruelty was undertaken by persons who had the idealistic view that they could create a better world for themselves by exterminating those that opposed them. I see no difference between this flawed idealism and bumfuck hippies who think they can change the world by "raising awareness" and shitty jam concerts.(props to Cartman). Both views are flawed, one in its aggressiveness one in its passivity.

    C/O
    "tick,tick, tick, tick, boom!. was it good for you too baby?"

    addendum; zyklon-b was not the main method of extermination, it was simply an experiment, the ovens exterminated not through heat but by asphyxiation, and most were simply taken to a trench and shot, or died of starvation and disease. The ovens and gas chambers were created to appease the speed addled high command when they thought the final solution was not progressing quickly enough.
  • BakayarBakayar Acolyte
    edited October 2010
    I don't think it really matters if it happened of not, reason being that general consensus says it did and since general consensus dictates group actions everyones actions will be driven with this in mind.

    Human memory dictates, to a large extent, our current reality; ergo if people remember it then it did happen, irrespective of whether it actually happened or not.
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited October 2010
    Bakayar wrote: »
    I don't think it really matters if it happened of not, reason being that general consensus says it did and since general consensus dictates group actions everyones actions will be driven with this in mind.

    Human memory dictates, to a large extent, our current reality; ergo if people remember it then it did happen, irrespective of whether it actually happened or not.

    You'd be retarded if you think it doesn't matter. The holocaust has been used to give the Jew's victim status. If it was proven that it didn't happen at least not to the extent it did then they would lose that status. Hell it would prove that Israel was founded on a lie.
  • BakayarBakayar Acolyte
    edited October 2010
    No, no, I don't mean "it doesn't matter" in the sense that the world can continue to trundle along regardless, I mean it doesn't matter arguing over its validity because people still "know", despite the many sources presented in this thread, that it did happen. My sentence was just badly worded and constructed.
  • stresstres Regular
    edited October 2010
    I remember at a party my mate asked me about jokes that he could use to break the ice with some girls, his a really good hearted kid but not the most knowledgeable. I had told a few holocaust jokes earlier that week:

    'stres, what was the joke about the jew conspiracy'? I couldn't believe it :o
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited October 2010
    ITT David Duke's number one fluff boy tries to troll.
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited October 2010
    ITT David Duke's number one fluff boy tries to troll.

    Yes dumbass me presenting real evidence that the holocaust was exaggerated is trolling.:facepalm:
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited October 2010
    Yes dumbass me presenting real evidence that the holocaust was exaggerated is trolling.:facepalm:

    You would not know real evidence if you caught it fucking your mother. You believe the tripe David Duke puts forth as if it were gospel.
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited October 2010
    You would not know real evidence if you caught it fucking your mother. You believe the tripe David Duke puts forth as if it were gospel.

    You do realize agreeing with someones politics doesn't equal worship right? David Duke is the only honest politician in America thats why I respect him. Also he speaks the truth but if you want to continue to believe the Jews are just fine and dandy then go ahead.
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited October 2010
    I can garuntee you I know more on the holocaust then you bra.


    :facepalm:
    Yes Ive read it and its all false and misleading evidene they provide.


    Where is your "evidence" fucktard?
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited October 2010
    :facepalm:



    Where is your "evidence" fucktard?

    Learn to read. I posted links all through this thread.
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited October 2010
    Learn to read. I posted links all through this thread.

    You call that hate based tripe evidence?
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited October 2010
    You call that hate based tripe evidence?

    According to people like you any site that questions the official story of the holocaust is "hate filled". Anyway here look at this Notice this sign at Auschwitz says one and a half million. Did 5 million more die after the war or something?
    auschwitz-birkenau-plaque-now.gif?w=375&h=350
  • MayberryMayberry Regular
    edited October 2010
    Auschwitz wasn't the only death camp :facepalm:
  • AltindAltind Regular
    edited October 2010
  • stresstres Regular
    edited October 2010
    Mayberry wrote: »
    Auschwitz wasn't the only death camp :facepalm:

    LMFAO :o:o
  • AlbinoEthiopianAlbinoEthiopian Regular
    edited October 2010
    Chester reminds me of Alan sometimes. Sorry for the derail.
  • SLIMSLIM Regular
    edited October 2010
    I made a post about this on zoklet, so I'll just copy those posts over.

    As for "the holocaust", I wish it had happened, I whole heartedly especially wish the stories about Dr Josef Mengele were true, but I'll be making another thread about him alone at another point in time, as he is the most vilified doctor of all time and in my opinion most certainly not deserving of it.
    Even if 6 million Jews were magically exterminated, there were over 50 million people of other races who died in World War II. Any school kid thinks 6 million Jews died at the hands of Germans, but ask him how many Americans or Russians died, or how many Germans died in World War II, and he will give you the 'deer caught in the headlights' blank stare. In fact, given today's education standards, he or she might even say "it just doesn't matter."

    If you don't like genocide, don't go to war! War IS genocide, particularly for White people. Remember, the Jews badgered Wilson to enter World War I. This prolonged the war and created the loss, and then horrible conditions, for Germany. That led straight to Adolf Hitler. Then the chickens came home to roost -- bad karma which the Jews had created for themselves!

    Today the whole world suffers because the Jew badgered British government's Balfour Declaration gave Palestine to Jews and Hell to Palestinians. Yet again, the Jews are hated worldwide.
    Jews are their own worst enemy and "what goes around comes around." It's just too bad that so many others must suffer to satisfy the greed and power lust of Jew leaders.

    Tom Metzger

    Sums my view up pretty much on the alleged holocaust, I wouldn't care if it did happen exactly as they say.


    I find it somewhat futile to spend too much time on revisionism as interesting as it may be, it has no revolutionary purpose, they will just simply bring out more holocaust, world war 2 and nazi propaganda the moment more "anti-semitism" rises and make more money.

    To not be too biased in this area, I'd suggest anyone to read The holocaust industry by Norman Finkelstein (jew) on how the jews and Israel use the "story" as a tool TODAY.
    [yt]

    Revisionism doesn't need an awful lot of time spent on it, I'm more concerned with what is happening today, and looking at what Finkelstein says is a good place to start with exposing this.



    But an extra for those interested in revisionism I'd suggest these to begin with:
    Cole in Auschwitz
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXKHw0EZrqM
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M-YsBXEueoU
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WP8eB4oPS0o
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQkD7AqLl5c
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJIwm24kZEk
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctNCdGw2Iio
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7t_C0d-BUmk

    Holocaust debate with david cole- with commentary
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmNTIfoWNog
    (just follow the rest of the vids too, can't be bothered linking them all)

    http://www.air-photo.com/index.php

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1183568676926459928
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited October 2010
    ^^^ The only real reason it's important today is like you said is how Israel and the Jews use it today. If the holocaust is disproved than Jews lose there status as a protected class. I agree with you on mengele being unjustly vilified. What a lot of people dont realize is how many of his records were destroyed by the allies. I'm not sure if his son is still alive but I seem to remember he did a lot of work trying to clear mengeles name.
  • SLIMSLIM Regular
    edited October 2010
    One thing is for sure, the jews certainly hog up the history of "misfortunes". Very little if at all do you hear of holodomor, the armenian genocide and especially not the bombing of Dresden and Eisenhower's treatment of the Germans after the war or any other such genocide. Whether it be in the media or in the educational system it's common practice to teach primarily about world war 2 and the jews.

    Here's a funny story of how jews act when someone tries to cut in on their racket;
    http://www.iraq-war.ru/article/167633

    The jews would never share a memorial with the gypsies, homosexuals or any other people. They hate people moving in on their money making or taking the lime light off them even a little bit.



    Here's something I find particularly interesting about revisionism, the haavara agreement between the national socialists and zionists.
    http://www.codoh.com/incon/inconhaa.html

    http://randompottins.blogspot.com/2007/05/coin-with-two-sides.html
    http://jewssansfrontieres.blogspot.com/2008/06/zionazi-medal-ii.html

    Very interesting, no?
    http://www.bing.com/search?q=codoh+Rudolf+Kastner++Hungary+Adolf+Eichmann&go=&form=QBRE&qs=n

    Ben Hecht's Perfidy exposes Kastner too.
  • SLIMSLIM Regular
    edited October 2010
    David Duke is the only honest politician in America thats why I respect him
    Saying David Duke is honest was funny enough, but having the words "honest" and "politician" in the same sentence really had me howling.

    And believe me, the jews still would be a protected class even if the story was completely disproved and accepted.
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited October 2010
    Yeah they probably would be but it might at least help to show them as liars. I've read about the Nazi Zionist connection before and it is pretty interesting. Truth be told I admire Israel in a way/ If they would stay the fuck out of our affairs as a country I would support them 100%. My hatred of AIPAC is the only thing that turns me against Israel. As far as Jews vs Muslims though I'll take the Jews over Sharia.
  • SLIMSLIM Regular
    edited October 2010
    Exactly, the Israel/Palestine issue I don't give a shit about, I feel we should stay out of other countries businesses; what I do resent and protest is the aid and support given to Israel and as you said the influence in banking and the political influence the Israel lobbies hold.

    Christians, Jews and Muslims are the rotten apples on the same tree; I won't take either of them, thanks.
  • edited October 2010
    SLIM wrote: »
    Exactly, the Israel/Palestine issue I don't give a shit about, I feel we should stay out of other countries businesses; what I do resent and protest is the aid and support given to Israel and as you said the influence in banking and the political influence the Israel lobbies hold.

    Christians, Jews and Muslims are the rotten apples on the same tree; I won't take either of them, thanks.

    Shut up, "national anarchist" faggot.
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited October 2010
    Shut up, "national anarchist" faggot.

    Anything with the name Anarchy in it is fail.
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