There is in fact no such thing as the latino race

Amie

Warning: If you're extremely politically correct and have been indoctrinated all your life with a completely fucked up view of the world history and the meanings of words such as "race", "racism", "discrimination", "culture" and "heritage"; you will not like what I have to say. Oh, and, just so you know: this is true for the largest part of the people in the USA. Sensitive toes beware or quit reading.

This thread here started out as a reply to somebody calling me a racist in this thread. By the time I was finished writing I figured this was worthy of it's own thread.

"I am a racist according to you? Which race did I discriminate, in your opinion?

Let me guess, the latino race, right? You know what? There is in fact no such thing as the latino race."

That's right. There is only one country in the whole world where latino's are not seen as whites and that is in the good ol' US of A, the most racist country in the world. The only country to make such a clear difference between "Americans" and "African Americans" and the way they are treated on all domains (based on race instead of origin; but that's another completely different discussion). According to scientists here in Europe, there are five major races on this earth: whites, blacks, asians, indians (as in the people who were living all over North and South America before most of them were slaughtered by the European colonists) and arabians (don't know the official word).

What you call Latino's are in fact usually descendants of the first colonists who came to the new world. Which means they are mostly descending from Spanish and Portugese colonists / immigrants / refugees (whatever you wanna name them), during the ages mixed with some indians and a small ammount of German, French, British, and a variety of other European colonists. During the early stages of the colonization the large majority of the colonists went to South and Central America for one reason or another, and the large majority came from Spain and Portugal. By the time North America (what is now the USA and Canada) was colonized on a large scale, most colonists came from the more northern European countries: Germany, the UK, France, Belgium, Holland, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Sweden and the Eastern European countries.

Now if you take a roadtrip trough Europe, starting in the upper north and driving south, you'll see the white race changing slowly. First they are all tall and very fair skinned with blond hair and blue eyes. As you're driving southwards you'll notice the people generally get darker hair, darker eyes, and a slightly darker skin, until you've reached the south of Spain / Italy, where just about everybody has dark brown / black eyes, dark brown eyes and a darker skin. You call those people a seperate race named latino's, to us, they're just Southern European whites (Acutally, you call only the ones from Spain and Portugal latino, the ones from Italy, who look exactly the same, are whites according to you). When you start in the west and drive to the east you'll also notice a slow change, but this time it's from redheads with green eyes and freckles to pepper-and-salt blondish hair, blue eyes and a more round head (making a couple big generalisations, but whatever). When you're a European and you travel a bit, you can usually tell from what parts of Europe somebody is just by looking at his face. Germans look different from Dutch, Ukrainians look different from Swedes, French look different from Spaniards. But to us, they're all whites. They're just a different subcategory of whites. There's the Irish redheads, the Swedish blondes and the Spanish brunettes, and they are all whites.

One day, people in Central and South America realized the USA was much more wealthy than they were, so they started immigrating again, this time northwards, to the good ol' US of A. Suddenly, a lot of xenophobic white US citizens started feeling uneasy about that. They were afraid of the immigrants, and they wanted harsh treatment for those hard-working friendly people "stealing all our jobs and selling our kids drugs". The best way to make the majority of the US citizens just as afraid and willing to support harsh treatment of those slightly darker skinned people was to play on the racism still so deeply ingrained in most of the white Americans. So they suddenly became a completely different race, called "latino", descending from Latin America. If you paid attention to our little history lesson, you'll understand that people who truly descend from Latin America are in fact indians, just like the indians in North America (native Americans), but a different subcategory. And the overly large majority of the "latino" immigrants are in fact whites, descending from Europe, just like the rest of the whites in the USA.

Racist propaganda is what made you convinced that they are a different race. Ojective science and history will tell you they are in fact whites.

fanglekai

There were tons of indigenous people living in the Americas. People living in what is now Mexico, Central and South America were different than the ones living in North America. Were they indians? The people living there now are indigenous and/or mixed with Spanish or African slaves, etc. They're certainly not white, so why doesn't latino make sense?

DirtySanchez

Wrong. They are indeed a seperate race. Your really gonna tell me that this




Is the same as




Mestizo's which you claim are white are a mongrel race. There a mix of European and Aboriginal blood. They are indeed a different race genetically. You only have to look at a spic to tell the difference. People that claim whites and Mestizo's are the same are just :facepalm:

Amie

fanglekai wrote: »

There were tons of indigenous people living in the Americas. People living in what is now Mexico, Central and South America were different than the ones living in North America. Were they indians? The people living there now are indigenous and/or mixed with Spanish or African slaves, etc. They're certainly not white, so why doesn't latino make sense?

Yes, actually, all the indigenous people living in both North and South America were (/are) indians. They're just a different kind of indians. There's all kinds of indians, just like there's all kinds of asians, whites and blacks.

And most indians living in the valley's and the coastal regions were in fact slaughtered by the european colonists to create a safe place for their forts and cities. Almost all remaining indians stayed hidden in the mountains and in the jungle to keep safe from the colonists. Most colonists only mated with other colonists, and most indians only mated with other indians. It's a little piece of history both Spain & Portugal and most south-american countries try very hard to ignore.

The reason they seem so different from whites to you all is because most of the USA and Canada was colonized by people from northern europe, and most of latin america was colonized by people from southern europe. Instead of the gradual change between north and south you see in Europe, the American continent was colonized following strict borders, so the difference is immediate and looks huge.

DirtySanchez: The guy is quite clearly a mix between indian and white. Still, doesn't make him a seperate race, it makes him half white, half native american.

This guy is called a latino, but if he lived in spain or italy, nobody would doubt he's white.


Same deal with this guy:


And this guy

Let this woman walk around anywhere in Europe, and everybody is going to assume she's Spanish / Portugese, and is in fact white. According to the US she is a latina.


This picture shows two races: four whites, of which three are Spanish scarecrows and one is a Dutch babe and one black woman (nationalities are guessed)

seanicus

First off: I do not think you are racist. You didn't say that any race is superior or inferior to any other race. nor did you say anything discriminatory, so anyone who thinks you're a racist for this thread is a moron.

Also, you are right, to an extent. Hispanics, or latinos, are basically white people who bred with the natives south of what is now known as the US (including the Carribean). In fact, the US government agrees with you (look on a census form. #8 asks you if you are Hispanic/Latino/Spanish in origin. #9 asks you for your race. I'm not sure what propaganda you're referring to, but it's not from the US government).

According to scientists here in Europe, there are five major races on this earth: whites, blacks, asians, indians (as in the people who were living all over North and South America before most of them were slaughtered by the European colonists) and arabians (don't know the official word).

This is your first mistake. This simply is not true. This is a VERY old and outdated theory. The divisions of the most popular divisions were caucasoid (European, Middle Eastern), Negroid (African), Capoid (Southern Africa), Australoid (Australia), and Mongoloid (East Asia, Oceania, and the Americas). By outdated, I'm talking like the 1800s. Most non-social scientists today don't even believe in race.

Race is considered a social construct. That is, something with lines arbitrarily drawn by society. Similar to a rainbow...there's one part that's definitely, indisputably blue, but there's another spot that isn't quite blue, and isn't quite green. It's in the middle. A rainbow is a gradient, and so is race.

The American Anthropological Association has this to say about race:

In the United States both scholars and the general public have been conditioned to viewing human races as natural and separate divisions within the human species based on visible physical differences. With the vast expansion of scientific knowledge in this century, however, it has become clear that human populations are not unambiguous, clearly demarcated, biologically distinct groups. Evidence from the analysis of genetics (e.g., DNA) indicates that most physical variation, about 94%, lies within so-called racial groups. Conventional geographic "racial" groupings differ from one another only in about 6% of their genes. This means that there is greater variation within "racial" groups than between them. In neighboring populations there is much overlapping of genes and their phenotypic (physical) expressions. Throughout history whenever different groups have come into contact, they have interbred. The continued sharing of genetic materials has maintained all of humankind as a single species.

Because there is more variation within race than between it, then race is simply not a useful concept for the biological or behavioral sciences (besides sociology, for obvious reasons). 69% of physical anthropologists and 80% of biological anthropologists disagree with this statement: "There are biological races in the species Homo sapiens." in 99, and those numbers are, presumably, on the rise.

This doesn't mean that it's wrong to talk about a race as if a race exists. You just have to accept that it exists only because society says it exists. In American culture, the "main colors" people come up with are blue, black, white, red, yellow, orange, green, purple. In Chinese culture, they divide the main colors the exact same way, but without green. They group green in with blue. To them, green is just another shade of blue, as lavender is another shade of purple.

That's what race is. It's just how we divide the world up in our heads, and has no real biological meaning. For that reason, because we consider hispanics to be a biological subset of the human race, they are a race.

Firemind

No matter how many facts you cite, the world will never change. You are but insignificant humans on this crumbling rock, you all are dead slaves. It's already over.