Niggers are inferior animals who have never built anything

NegrophobeNegrophobe Regular
edited November 2010 in Spurious Generalities
When I look at the negroid race all I can see is that negroids were and are a failed race of primitive people. Throughout 6000 years of recorded history, the Black African Negro has invented nothing. He has never invented the wheel, created metal tools, cultivated a crop, domesticated an animal, or built a structure beyond a mud hut. The Egyptians, Carthaginians, and Moors were all Caucasoid. All civilizations in Sub Saharan Africa were founded by Egyptians, Pheonicians, Persians, Arabs or Berbers.

There has never been nor will there ever be a self-sustaining Negroid African civilization; there has never been a Negroid African culture, a Negroid African art/architecture, or a Negroid African written language.

Here are a few things niggercentricists try to claim;
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Egypt itself is the most favourite claimed by niggercentrists, but that will take a whole thread of its own to rebuke, although it is not very hard to do so just going by history, let alone genetics.

These monuments I just showed you were built by Sabaean Arabs and other Semitic Caucasoids residing along the northern coast of Ethiopia, showing once again that Negroid Africa has no indigenous culture or civilization without the colonization of Africa.

The Phoenician ruins in Zimbabwe are often claimed by niggercentrists too, it's a shame for them that the Phoenicians were caucasoids.

Not to mention, even so, Ethiopians/Somalis and Nubians are predominantly Caucasoid with some Negroid admixture (they're an intermediate between negroids and caucasoids). Whatever they did was because of white genes.


When debating niggercentrists you'll find they'll not quote entire studies, take out of context what has been actually said or outright make up and doctor texts and images, such as image stretching and colour changing- especially when it comes to Egypt debates. If you search the exact words that these niggers post you will find that those paragraphs are sometimes often from nigger forums with no original author. Anyone can write any bullshit on the internet and pass it off as fact, just look at wikipedia.


Niggers are closer to apes than humans. They are a worthless inferior race detested by all. The only thing they have invented is jenkem and the drive-by, hardly noteworthy creations.

Let us take a look at what was said of the niggers by the arabs;
http://www.colorq.org/articles/article.aspx?d=2002&x=arabviews

Now the Egyptians;
Lord of Thebes to Sesostris:
"I have brought for thee all countries which are in Nubia, beneath thy feet."

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There were no "black" pharoahs until 730 BC, far after the height of Ancient Egypt and the Nubians only ruled for 100 years, having very little effect on the racial make up of Egypt, as I shall show in another thread later.

Tut on a chariot, chasing, trampling and slaying Nubians who they considered as black, despite having a high amount of caucasoid influence, which was not known at that time.
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There are many more pics of Egyptians distinguishing themselves from the other peoples.
Southern boundary, made in the year 8, under the majesty of the King of Upper and Lower Egypt, Khekure (Senusret III), who is given kife forever and ever; in order to prevent that any Negro should cross it, by water or by land, with a ship, (or) any herds of the Negroes; except a Negro who shall come to do trading in Iken, or with a commission. Every good thing shall be done with them, but without allowing a ship of the Negroes to pass by Heh (Semna), going downstream forever.
James Henry Breasted Ancient Records of Egypt Part One, §652
http://www.reshafim.org.il/ad/egypt/texts/semna_stela.htm
"He (Thutmose I) has overthrown the chief of the Nubians. The Nubian is helpless, defenseless in his grasp. He has united the boundaries of his two sides, there is not a remnant of the Curly-Haired who come to attack him; there is not a single survivor among them. The Nubians fall by the sword and are thrust aside in their lands. Their foulness, it floods their valleys; theÉ of their mouths is like a violent flood. The fragments cut from them are too much for the birds (who eat carrion)
Translated by J. H. Breasted, Ancient Records of Egypt, vol. II (Chicago: 1906), no. 71.
"I have brought for thee all countries which are in Nubia, beneath thy feet."

- APPENDIX TO CHAPTER IV

STELAE ALREADY KNOWN FROM THE NORTHERN TEMPLE

The stela of Mentuhotep has been several times published. The first large l
fragment of it was discovered by Champollion and Rosellini in 1829 and sent to
the Egyptian Museum at Florence (Florence Cat. No. 1542). It lay close to the
back wall in the sanctuary, lettered B in our plan, but was not built into the wall.
In 1893 Capt. H. G. Lyons found a second fragment in exactly the same place and
presented it also to the Florence museum. Prof. J. H. Breasted published the
two fragments together in " Proceedings of the Society for Biblical Archaeology, "
May, 1901, and has translated the inscription in his Ancient Records, Vol. I, 510.
He describes the stela as follows: "At the top is a relief showing Sesostris 1 st
standing, facing Montu, lord of Thebes, who says, 'I have brought for thee all
countries which are in Nubia beneath thy feet, good god. ' Suiting these words
the god leads and presents to the king a line of bound captives, symbolizing
Nubian towns. The head and shoulders of each captive surmount an oval
containing the name of the town represented. There were originally ten of these
towns, of which four have disappeared. . . ......

http://www.archive.org/stream/buhenegypt01randuoft/buhenegypt01randuoft_djvu.txt

Comments

  • kaloosakaloosa Regular
    edited November 2010
    Peanut Butter.
    Your argument is now invalid.
  • Gary OakGary Oak Regular
    edited November 2010
    What about the key chain faggot? (You should post more.)
  • NegrophobeNegrophobe Regular
    edited November 2010
    kaloosa wrote: »
    Peanut Butter.
    Your argument is now invalid.

    http://www33.brinkster.com/iiiii/inventions/#peanutbutter

    Your argument is now invalid.
  • Gary OakGary Oak Regular
    edited November 2010
    It's a racist website, you can't take your facts from there.
  • NegrophobeNegrophobe Regular
    edited November 2010
    Gary Oak wrote: »
    It's a racist website, you can't take your facts from there.

    Stop trying to troll my thread. You can not argue the facts, calling it "racist" is irrelevant.
  • Gary OakGary Oak Regular
    edited November 2010
    It's very relevant. Just because a salty cracker could "talk all smart" doesn't make it true. I guess it doesn't matter anyway. Everyone knows niggers beat up crackers the majority of the times they fight.
  • NegrophobeNegrophobe Regular
    edited November 2010
    What a load of bullshit, whites dominate the boxing ring, the blacks are the bottom of the food chain, then mestizos and then whites at the top in the prison system despite being greatly out numbered. Just because niggers have the law on their side with hate crime laws and attack in large groups with weapons doesn't make them harder than whites. Only just recently have niggers started getting brave, and even then the people who are responsible for the most nigger deaths WORLDWIDE are fellow nigger apes shooting at each other, more than they beat on "YT".


    It's not relevant because it's not a racist website, save it with your psycho-babble buzzwords for the liberals who it will work on.
  • Gary OakGary Oak Regular
    edited November 2010
  • NegrophobeNegrophobe Regular
    edited November 2010
    notevenmad.jpg

    It's not my fault niggers have no history or accomplishments. So are you a nigger or a nigger lover?
  • edited November 2010
    List of totse.info nigger lovers:
    DirtySanchez
    Gary Oak
    Just Another Assholes
    Pacino
    Another good one to avoid is Dfg, who is a koran fapping sand monkey.
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited November 2010
    STFU Fatty I hate niggers:mad: Anyway great thread. How someone can look at what happens in country's like Haiti or Africa after white rule ends and still think niggers are our equal is baffling to me. We shouldn't even be helping Haiti. They slaughtered all whites in there so called revolution but now they ask for our help.:rolleyes:
  • NegrophobeNegrophobe Regular
    edited November 2010
    I've actually been thinking about IQ.

    Einstein had a high IQ, but a low tendency for organization. He couldn't keep his own papers strait without the aid of his wife. The key to Edison's success was not his IQ but his ability to understand what the market needed, and focus all his energy on it. The ability to process information is not as important as the ability to have an organized goal and tenaciously persue it, which is the main difference between Edison and Einstein.

    Verbal and Spatial intelligence, which is what the IQ test measures, matter, but they aren't everything. IQ only measures the ability to take in information.

    EQ tests (emotional-intelligence quotient) are said to be a better predictor of success than the IQ test(intelligence quotient). But, despite its drawbacks as a measure of cognitive ability, the IQ test is still a fairly good predictor of future academic achievement.

    As for what causes them to commit crimes, it could be partly genetic, but who gives a fuck why they do it, it's the fact that they do do it the most, despite being "minorities". The fact that they make shitty criminals is testament enough. I do base it on what I see, what history tells me and what common sense tells me. The trend is a worldwide phenomenon which can be witnessed.

    It's funny how shit non-whites do with affirmitive action and whites in the same or worse economic situations still perform better, without affirmitive action.

    If anything blacks have been taught that they are the same in terms of intelligence with whites yet they have had no mathematical gains for 50 YEARS!

    http://vdare.com/rushton/100723_nisbett.htm

    Affirmitive action plays a huge role for those who do succeed in education.

    http://www33.brinkster.com/iiiii/inventions/emeag.html

    Check out #6 in particular

    "According to the United Nations Conference on Trade and Development (UNCTAD), Africa suffers more than any other region from the brain drain in science and technology. The higher the level of education, the more likely the scientist is to leave the continent."
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7322365.stm

    Affirmitive action info for you
    http://www.bamn.com/doc/factsheet.asp

    Whites with the same socio-economic status as niggers still score much higher than those shit-skins on IQ tests and on the SAT. Even Whites in the lowest SES do better than niggers in the highest SES.

    • Whites from families with incomes of less than $10,000 had a mean SAT score of 993. This is 129 points higher than the national mean for all blacks.

    • Whites from families with incomes below $10,000 had a mean SAT test score that was 61 points higher than blacks whose families had incomes of between $80,000 and $100,000.

    • Blacks from families with incomes of more than $100,000 had a mean SAT score that was 85 points below the mean score for whites from all income levels, 139 points below the mean score of whites from families at the same income level, and 10 points below the average score of white students from families whose income was less than $10,000.

    http://www.jbhe.com/features/49_college_admissions-test.html


    It also doesn't account for the fact that barely educated or completely uneducated Chinese peasants still do much better academically than niggers, and some times do better than whites.


    Niggers are an inferior race.
  • Gary OakGary Oak Regular
    edited November 2010
    i heart niggers
  • NegrophobeNegrophobe Regular
    edited November 2010
    Gary Oak wrote: »
    i heart niggers

    Good, I hope you breed out your inferior genes with a negress monster, rather than breeding within the white race, you're a defect and the niggers will be doing a great eugenic service for us.
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited November 2010
    Gary Oak wrote: »
    i heart niggers

    It's really simple. I'll ask you a question Ive asked all anti racists and I'm still waiting for an Answer. Tell me of just one time where Niggers took control of a country and they did as well or better than when whites ruled it? Better yet name any nigger run country that has succeeded?

    Keep in mind the idea that there a minority is laughable when the white race only makes up about 10 to 15 percent of the world. Have you ever noticed that people actually seem to be so proud when a Negro succeeds? Why are they held to a different standard then whites? Common sense states that there inferior as well as being proven by scientific evidence. Here read race and reason maybe it will help you understand racial science.

    http://wpww-thefolk.com/literature/raceandreason.pdf
  • MooseKnuckleMooseKnuckle Regular
    edited November 2010
    black people make sports fun to watch. did they invent drive-bys?
  • NegrophobeNegrophobe Regular
    edited November 2010
    black people make sports fun to watch. did they invent drive-bys?

    Ah yes, speaking of sports, I want to dispell a few more myths here. Niggers do not have higher levels of testosterone than whites, they do infact have higher levels of estrogen however.
    Serum estrogen, but not testosterone, levels differ between black and white men in a nationally representative sample of Americans.

    Rohrmann S, Nelson WG, Rifai N, Brown TR, Dobs A, Kanarek N, Yager JD, Platz EA.

    Division of Cancer Epidemiology, German Cancer Research Center, D-69120 Heidelberg, Germany.

    Comment in:

    * J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2007 Jul;92(7):2433-5.

    Abstract

    CONTEXT: Higher testosterone in black compared with white men has been postulated to explain their higher prostate cancer incidence. Previous studies comparing hormone levels by race might have been limited by size, restricted age variation, or lack of representation of the general population.

    OBJECTIVE: Our objective was to compare serum testosterone, estradiol, and SHBG concentrations among non-Hispanic black, non-Hispanic white, and Mexican-American men. PARTICIPANTS, DESIGN, AND

    SETTING: A total of 1413 men aged 20+ yr and who attended the morning examination session of the Third National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES III) in 1988-1991 were included in this cross-sectional study.

    MEASUREMENT: Serum hormone concentrations were measured by electrochemiluminescence immunoassays.

    RESULTS: After applying sampling weights and adjusting for age, percent body fat, alcohol, smoking, and activity, testosterone concentrations were not different between non-Hispanic blacks (n = 363; geometric mean, 5.29 ng/ml) and non-Hispanic whites (n = 674; 5.11 ng/ml; P > 0.05) but were higher in Mexican-Americans (n = 376; 5.48 ng/ml; P < 0.05). Non-Hispanic blacks (40.80 pg/ml) had a higher estradiol concentration than non-Hispanic whites (35.46 pg/ml; P < 0.01) and Mexican-Americans (34.11 pg/ml; P < 0.01). Non-Hispanic blacks (36.49 nmol/liter) had a higher SHBG concentration than non-Hispanic whites (34.91 nmol/liter; P < 0.05) and Mexican-Americans (35.04 nmol/liter; P < 0.05).

    CONCLUSIONS: Contrary to the postulated racial difference, testosterone concentrations did not differ notably between black and white men. However, blacks had higher estradiol levels. Mexican-Americans had higher testosterone than whites but similar estradiol and SHBG concentrations. Given these findings, it may be equally if not more important to investigate estradiol as testosterone in relation to diseases with racial disparity.
    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17456570

    Negroes dominate sport in the US for social reasons; if it were due to negro athletic ability, then the basketball teams of West Africa would be world powerhouses and the teams of Europe would be composed of negroes, the fact of the matter is the game was actually even dumbed down for them. Also, if they were superior then what's the excuse for how poor every sub-saharan Negroid team did in the world cup; it was a caucasoid team who won.

    Caucasoids dominate MMA and boxing, mongoloids and caucasoids (mainly Eastern Europeans) dominate in weightlifting.

    Negroids are only good at jumping and SHORT DISTANCE running.
  • NegrophobeNegrophobe Regular
    edited November 2010
    Actually, I don't think they even invented the drive-by, they just put it to use more than anyone else to kill each other off thankfully.
    Drive-by shootings have been employed by gang members since the Prohibition era of the 1920s in the United States. Then used mostly to disrupt distribution of alcohol by rivals, it is now used to commit revenge murder. Drive-bys are an efficient way of taking out rivals, as it allows the perpetrators to not only flee from the police but also quickly get out of a rival's territory.
    There's no source to check it with on wikipedia so I'm taking it with a pinch of salt and I really don't care enough about who invented the fucking drive by.

    It would make sense the only thing niggers invented is jenkem.
  • NegrophobeNegrophobe Regular
    edited November 2010
    Hahaha, niggers don't even have bigger dicks, they just think they do. Pornography is a shit determiner as well, and I'll explain why in a separate thread about this topic. It's not even a big issue, but whenever you have shown these nigger apes up as the fucking liars and useless primitive reprobates they are then they'll resort to "muh dik" arguments and yet another lie about their endowment. Any other topic that proves the lies wrong just how inferior and useless these shit balls are shall be covered. As if dick size is even important, but I'll prove in a thread if not tonight then tomorrow, they don't even have that going for them.
  • NegrophobeNegrophobe Regular
    edited November 2010
    Erorr wrote: »
    Racist thread is racist

    Ya damn right it is.
  • fanglekaifanglekai Regular
    edited November 2010
    I think black people invented the interracial anal gangbang: http://www.hardsextube.com/video/344795/3-Black-Cocks-Fill-White-Shithole
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited November 2010
    Negrophobe wrote: »
    Actually, I don't think they even invented the drive-by, they just put it to use more than anyone else to kill each other off thankfully.


    There's no source to check it with on wikipedia so I'm taking it with a pinch of salt and I really don't care enough about who invented the fucking drive by.

    It would make sense the only thing niggers invented is jenkem.

    I have no problem if they want to drive by and kill each other but the problem is niggers cant shoot for shit so they usually end up hitting some innocent person who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.
  • fanglekaifanglekai Regular
    edited November 2010
    I have no problem if they want to drive by and kill each other but the problem is niggers cant shoot for shit so they usually end up hitting some innocent person who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    That's how my dad and little brother died :o
  • NegrophobeNegrophobe Regular
    edited November 2010
    I have no problem if they want to drive by and kill each other but the problem is niggers cant shoot for shit so they usually end up hitting some innocent person who was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    I was just talking about this with someone from zoklet on msn, the reason they hold their gun side-ways is because that's the way it came in the box. They rarely hit their intended target when doing a driveby, but like you said, someone else at the wrong place at the wrong time. Them not being able to shoot right isn't a problem, not for any white person who's armed and competent when confronted.
  • MayberryMayberry Regular
    edited November 2010
    Negrophobe wrote: »
    I was just talking about this with someone from zoklet on msn, the reason they hold their gun side-ways is because that's the way it came in the box.

    More like the way they found it lying in the dumpster :o
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited November 2010
    Here's something else to think about from a biological standpoint. If a white and black have a kid and this kid needs to get a blood transfusion or an organ transplant it's extremely difficult to find a suitable donor.

    http://www.time.com/time/health/article/0,8599,1993074,00.html

    This is further evidence that the races are different from a genetic standpoint and should not mix.
  • NegrophobeNegrophobe Regular
    edited November 2010
    Ah, here's some more information about the health consequences of race-mixing. Good link by the way.
    Mixed-race students report more troubles
    WASHINGTON (AP) -- Students who consider themselves of more than one race are more likely to feel depressed, have trouble sleeping, skip school, smoke and drink alcohol, a study says. Based on national surveys of 90,000 middle school and high school students, the study found that young people of mixed race are at higher risk for stress-related health problems.

    For example, students who described their race as both black and white reported more difficulties than those who considered themselves solely black or solely white.

    "It did not matter what races the students identified with, the risks were higher for all of them if they did not identify with a single race," said Dr. J. Richard Udry, principal author of the study published this week in the American Journal of Public Health.

    While the study suggests that mixed-race teenagers suffer from more stress, Udry said, it does not say why. He noted that many smaller studies have looked at emotional and health issues for teenagers of mixed race.

    "The most common explanation for the high-risk status is the struggle with identity formation, leading to lack of self-esteem, social isolation and problems of family dynamics in biracial households," said Udry, professor of maternal and child health at the University of North Carolina School of Public Health.

    Raul Caetano, a professor of epidemiology at the University of Texas School of Public Health, said further research is needed to confirm that being of mixed race causes stress.

    "It may be especially important with adolescents, at this developmental stage where the development of your own identity is so important -- it's exactly what you're struggling with," said Caetano. "It's already stressful, and these kids may have an additional layer of stress to deal with."

    The findings were drawn from data compiled in 1994-95 by the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, which is based at the University of North Carolina. Students could give more than one answer when asked their race.

    Unlike Census data, which adults answer for their households, the survey directly questioned teenagers, who sometimes identify themselves differently than their parents would. This gives a better picture of how teenagers' self-concept affects their health, the authors said.

    But some students were inconsistent, giving different answers when asked about their race at different times.

    "An adolescent may have problems with ethnic identity the parent may not be aware of or may minimize," Caetano said.

    The study found that mixed-race students, compared with single-race students who share part of their racial makeup, were more likely to report having sex at younger ages, having access to guns, getting drunk, considering suicide and suffering various aches and pains.

    Yet in other types of characteristics -- including grades, verbal ability and parents' education -- the study found that mixed-race students tend to fall between the single-race adolescents who shared part of their background. For example, Asian students had higher grade-point averages than whites, and children with both Asian and white parents had averages between those two peer groups.
  • NegrophobeNegrophobe Regular
    edited November 2010
    Also;
    The health consequences of race mixing among living organisms could be neutral, beneficial or harmful. This issue has been difficult to address in humans, but data from random, population-based studies have started coming in, and here we consider the first such dataset.

    The data in question come from J. Richard Udry’s National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health, which sampled a random, nationally representative school-based sample of U.S. adolescents in grades 7 through 12, during 1994-1995. [1]

    Paper-based questionnaires were completed by 83,135 adolescents; a random sub-sample of these individuals plus some individuals in the school roster that had not completed the paper-based questionnaire, totaling 18,924 adolescents, were interviewed at home. The data are reported for the home-interviewed sample.

    Racial classifications are based on self-report; the participants were allowed to pick multiple racial categories to describe themselves. Table 1 shows participant characteristics. The participants were asked if they were Hispanic/Latino, but this was not considered to be a racial category. 86% of those who only chose “other” race also described themselves as Hispanic, and 46% of those who described themselves as Hispanic only chose “other” race. 72% of those identifying as American Indian also picked another racial category, usually white.
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    The data are presented in terms of odds ratios and statistical significance, both of which are briefly explained in the next paragraph, which knowledgeable individuals can skip.

    The odds ratio (OR) is the number of times something is more prevalent in one group compared to another. Thus, OR = 2.0 means a two-fold greater prevalence, OR = 1.3 means a 1.3-fold greater prevalence, OR = 1.0 means no difference, OR = 0.5 means half as prevalent, and so on. A statistically significant difference is a difference that most likely represents a genuine difference between the groups compared rather than a difference due to chance factors alone. If the probability that the difference obtained is due to chance is less than 5%, then the difference is typically considered statistically significant, which is denoted as p < 0.05; similarly, if the probability that the difference obtained is due to chance is less than 1%, then this is designated as p < 0.01. All statistically significant differences in Tables 2-4 (p < 0.05) are marked by an asterisk. On the other hand, due to inadequate sample size, genuine differences may not reach statistical significance in a study, although trends toward differences may be clear.

    Table 2 shows that mixed-race individuals had an across-the-board higher incidence of health and behavior problems; the specific health problems addressed were assessed in terms of whether they occurred frequently or every day of the previous month.
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    Given the overall picture in Table 2, sample size limitations, and the fact that the sample is random and representative, all values in Table 2 that are clearly greater than 1.00 but not statistically significant can be considered as genuinely reflecting increased likelihood of health/behavior problems among mixed-race adolescents, and this also applies to Table 3.

    Now, it may be that adverse outcomes vary by race combinations. To examine this issue, Table 3 compares various mixed-race combos with their single-race counterparts on health/behavior issues. The general pattern seen in Table 2 is also seen in Table 3, i.e., irrespective of which races are combined, there is an overall increase in health/behavior problems among mixed-race adolescents.
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    Let us address one confound in interpreting the data in Tables 2 and 3. It is commonly observed that a disproportionate number of white women who end up with black men are obese. Obese women tend to have elevated testosterone levels. [2, 3] Some portion of testosterone is converted to dihydrotestosterone (DHT), which amplifies the effect of testosterone at certain targets. [4] DHT is also one of the culprits in the genesis of acne. [5] Therefore, a higher incidence of, say, acne in black/white-mixed offspring with a white mother could simply reflect inheritance of the genetics of elevated androgens from the obese white mother rather than an effect of race mixing.

    The point above needs to be considered in a more general scenario. When the races occupying the same geographic region differ in status, as in present-day Western societies, members of the high-status race who marry those of a lower-status race tend to have low status within their group. There are, of course, many examples to the contrary: Carmen Electra (mostly white) with Dennis Rodman (black), Heidi Klum (white) with Seal (black), and David Bowie (white) with Iman (Somali), among others. However, the aforementioned trend is clear, which raises the possibility that the negative correlates of race mixing are largely related to the unhealthiness of one or both parents rather than the deleterious effects of race mixing. This potential confound can be addressed by statistically controlling for demographic variables.

    The authors controlled for age, sex, verbal IQ, grade point average, family structure (living with one or both parents), and family education; education can act as a proxy for socioeconomic status, and given an inverse relation between socioeconomic status and obesity in white women, [6] education can also act as a proxy for obesity in the white mothers of the mixed-race adolescents. Controlling for all these factors left the general picture seen in Tables 2 and 3 unchanged; some statistically significant odds ratios lost statistical significance, but the ones greater than 1.00 can still be considered significant for the reasons addressed above, and there were very few instances of greater-than-1.00 odds ratios diminishing to less than 1.00. Therefore, one can conclude that the negative health/behavior consequences of race mixing are related to race mixing per se rather than the variables controlled for.

    The authors mention that the most common explanation of their find, which has also been reported by others using non-random samples, is that stress associated with identity conflict or struggle with identity formation is the culprit, but they also note that there is no proof in this regard. [1] Indeed, it is difficult to believe that struggle with identity formation is responsible for an across-the-board increase in health/behavior problems in mixed-race adolescents. How does struggle with identity formation lead to a higher incidence of skin problems?

    An across-the-board increase in health problems should be evaluated in light of the basic architecture of physiological control, wherein the brain and the autonomic nervous system (ANS) are especially relevant. As is seen in the figure below, the ANS is involved in the autonomic (involuntary; automatic) regulation of organs, and its abnormalities could easily be behind Udry’s data.
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    ANS abnormalities are implicated in behavior problems such as excessive aggression, [7-11] atopy (a group of diseases such as asthma, skin problems such as eczema and psoriasis, allergies, runny nose, sinusitis, migraine), [12-16] headaches, [17-22] and a variety of health problems (see any textbook of medical physiology). Further, damaging some portions of the brain in rats increases the likelihood of cocaine or stimulant dependence, [23, 24] and something similar undoubtedly applies to humans, too. Besides, a number of brain abnormalities are common to both depression and drug dependence, [25] and substance use is more prevalent among mentally ill individuals. [26]

    Therefore, to the extent that race mixing may increase the likelihood of non-optimal genetic correlation structures, it may be expected to adversely affect organism-level physiological control, which may very well account for Udry’s data.

    Alternatively, since part of the ANS deals with stressors, chronic social stressors could themselves cause a number of health problems. In this regard, the data in Tables 2 and 3 do not vary as a function of whether the adolescent is living with one or two parents or as a function of family education, which can act as a proxy for socioeconomic status. Being teased/ostracized for being mixed race also requires consideration, but it cannot be argued that during the time period of the childhood years of the Americans examined, a substantial number of the mixed-race children would have experienced ostracism/discrimination due to being mixed race, especially since a number of them would have grown up in large metropolitan areas, which are known to be more diverse and tolerant. Moreover, the general preference in the African-American community is to prefer African-Americans with lighter skin, [27, 28] and lighter-skinned African-Americans also tend to have higher IQs than their darker counterparts (Table 4, [29]), which should reduce academic stress. In other words, black/white-mixed individuals, who would typically be assigned and raised as African-Americans, are not necessarily really worse off compared to their darker counterparts with respect to being ostracized/marginalized. Additionally, given white preference for Caucasian features and to the extent that Asian-Americans are envious of some of the facial features of whites, Asian/white-mixed individuals are less apt to be teased for their facial features than the less mixed Asians-Americans. And once again, there is no proof that struggle with identity formation explains Udry’s data. Also, the typical mixed-race adolescent with a white parent should have no doubts as to whether he is white; he wouldn’t look anything like a white person. Further, the data in Tables 2 and 3 do not vary as a function of age, which is relevant because the mixed-race individuals should have resolved their racial identity by their late teens.

    On the other hand, there exist several examples in the animal literature where matings between more genetically distant individuals within the same species/different races result in offspring that are less healthy than the parents, on average, [30-37] and this cannot be blamed upon struggle with identity formation. There also exist examples of hybrid vigor, but nothing remotely close to hybrid vigor is seen in Udry’s data.

    Consider also the fact that the genetic correlation structures manifesting as different races are so distinct that when a computer was asked to classify DNA data (326 microsatellite markers) from 3,636 individuals self-identifying as either white, East Asian, African-American, or Hispanic, into clusters, without being told which DNA sample came from which racial group, the computer clustered the DNA data into 4 groups, classifying all but 5 individuals into the correct self-identified racial group. [38]
  • NegrophobeNegrophobe Regular
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    Article continued;
    Therefore, a parsimonious explanation of the across-the-board negative health correlates of race mixing in Udry’s data is that race mixing involving notably different races such as human races, by increasing the likelihood of non-optimal genetic correlation structures, increases the likelihood of deleterious effects.

    Udry’s data are compatible with the likelihood of race mixing improving one or more parental traits in some mixed-race offspring, who may be better off than both parents on multiple counts, provided that a greater number of mixed-race offspring are overall worse off than both parents. The former possibility is surely not implausible given that the tremendous racial and species diversity out there implies that nature does not rule out equally-well functioning/better functioning novel genetic correlation structures, which could be brought about by race mixing, though the chances of improvement would typically be slim if more distant races are involved.

    Further, those identifying as mixed-race in this study would generally have greater genetic admixture than those identifying as single-race. It is seen in Table 2 that those identifying as mixed race have worse health than even populations known to be highly admixed (American black, Native American, Hispanic). This could be accounted for if one assumes that first-generation hybrids who have the worst health/behavior problems would disproportionately not be very successful in reproducing, i.e., the healthier mixed offspring could, within a few generations, set up a mixed-race population that is healthier, on average, compared to the first-generation hybrids, but for this mixed-race population to approach or exceed the overall health of the original single-race populations, it would take many generations of [naturally] weeding out the unhealthy and settling toward a novel population-typical genetic correlation structure that corresponds to good health (more on this and on hybrid vigor in a subsequent post).

    To conclude, it is irresponsible for any scientific organization to pretend that race mixing has no adverse health effects and it is obviously inappropriate to portray race mixing as desirable or virtuous.

    Extra stuff (for those interested in additional details):

    Table 4 compares mixed-race adolescents with their single-race counterparts on several measures. The GPA (grade point average) and the PVT (picture vocabulary test) categories feature the percentage of individuals in the 75th percentile of the entire sample.
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    Some of the responses to self-identified race differed between the school-based and home-based assessments (16% of entire sample). Over 90% of the respondents self-identifying as white only, black only, or Asian only at school, self-identified as the same race at home; the changes involved adding/substituting “other” race. Somewhat less than half the respondents picking multiple races at school picked the same categories at the home interview, and to the extent that those identifying as multiracial in school identified as single race at home, given the picture in Table 2, these individuals are likely making the single-race individuals look worse. 34% of those identifying as American Indian only at school identified as white only at home, and 77% of those identifying as white/American Indian at school identified as white only at home, but American Indians were a miniscule percentage of the study sample. The inconsistent responses among the mixed-race adolescents may have resulted from context (school vs. home), assessment technique (paper-based vs. interview), ambiguity of question asking about race, or lack of a fully developed racial concept at the time of the assessment. [1]

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  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
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  • NegrophobeNegrophobe Regular
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    See this also;
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outbreeding_depression

    - A second way outbreeding depression can occur is by the breakdown of biochemical or physiological compatibilities between genes in the different populations. Within local, isolated populations, alleles are selected for their positive, overall effects on the local genetic background. Due to nonadditive gene action, the same genes may have rather different average effects in different genetic backgrounds--hence, the potential evolution of locally coadapted gene complexes.

    Genes are selected for their effect on that race, not for their effect on the genetic make up of other races.
    CHARLES R. DARWIN
    ON RACE-MIXING



    When two distinct races are crossed, it is notorious that the tendency in the offspring to revert to one or both parent forms is strong, and endures for many generations.




    The Earl of Powis formerly imported some thoroughly domesticated humped cattle from India, and crossed them with English breeds, which belong to a distinct species; and his agent remarked to me, without any question having been asked, how oddly wild the cross-bred animals were.




    These latter facts remind us of the statements, so frequently made by travellers in all parts of the world, on the degraded state and savage disposition of crossed races of man. That many excellent and kind-hearted mulattos have existed no one will dispute; and a more mild and gentle set of men could hardly be found than the inhabitants of the island of Chilce, who consist of Indians commingled with Spaniards in various proportions. On the other hand, many years ago, long before I had thought of the present subject, I was struck with the fact that, in South America, men of complicated descent between Negroes, Indians, and Spaniards, seldom had, whatever the cause might be, a good expression.1 Livingstone,- and a more unimpeachable authority cannot be quoted,- after speaking of a half-caste man on the Zambesi, described by the Portuguese as a rare monster of inhumanity, remarks, "It is unaccountable why half-castes, such as he, are so much more cruel than the Portuguese, but such is undoubtedly the case." An inhabitant remarked to Livingstone, "God made white men, and God made black men, but the Devil made half-castes."2 When two races, both low in the scale, are crossed the progeny seems to be eminently bad. Thus the noble-hearted Humboldt, who felt no prejudice against the inferior races, speaks in strong terms of the bad and savage disposition of Zambos, or half-castes between Indians and Negroes; and this conclusion has been arrived at by various observers.3 From these facts we may perhaps infer that the degraded state of so many half-castes is in part due to reversion to a primitive and savage condition, induced by the act of crossing, even if mainly due to the unfavourable moral conditions under which they are generally reared.


    1. Journal of Researches, 1845, p. 71.
    2. Expedition to the Zambesi, 1865, pp. 25, 150.
    3. Dr. P. Broca, on 'Hybridity in the Genus Homo,' Eng. translat., 1864, p. 39.





    No man in his senses would expect to improve or modify a breed in any particular manner, or keep an old breed true and distinct, unless he separated his animals.




    It is a very surprising fact that characters should reappear after having been lost for many, perhaps for hundreds of generations. But when a breed has been crossed only once by some other breed, the offspring occasionally show a tendency to revert in character to the foreign breed for many generations – some say, for a dozen or even a score of generations. After twelve generations, the proportion of blood, to use a common expression, of any one ancestor, is only 1 in 2048; and yet, as we see, it is generally believed that a tendency to reversion is retained by this very small proportion of foreign blood.




    How strongly these domestic instincts, habits, and dispositions are inherited, and how curiously they become mingled, is well shown when different breeds of dogs are crossed. Thus it is known that a cross with a bull-dog has affected for many generations the courage and obstinacy of greyhounds; and a cross with a greyhound has given to a whole family of shepherd-dogs a tendency to hunt hares.




    Some species have a remarkable power of crossing with other species; other species of the same genus have a remarkable power of impressing their likeness on their hybrid offspring.




    I think these authors are right, who maintain that the ass has a prepotent power over the horse, so that both the mule and the hinny more resemble the ass than the horse; but that the prepotency runs more strongly in the male-ass than in the female, so that the mule, which is the offspring of the male-ass and mare, is more like an ass, than is the hinny, which is the offspring of the female-ass and stallion.



    Charles Darwin, The Variation of Plants and Animals under Domestication, 2nd ed., John Murray, London, 1875, vol. II, pp. 8; 19; 21; 62-63; The Origin of Species, 1st ed., Penguin, London, 1968; pp. 196; 239 (see also 1875: 1/43); 275; 287 (see also 1875: 2/43).

    Mixing with caucasoid sub-races is not the same as mixing with a different race such as mongoloids, negroids, amerindianoids or australoids.


    You'd do well to read up Carleton Coon's stuff. A brilliant and groundbreaking anthropologist who I agree with almost everything on, one thing that really bugs me is that he called nords depigmented meds when in fact nords have influences from both south and east.
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
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    Another very common lie that multicults use is that whites also originated in Africa. This theory has been debunked.

    http://www.ety.com/HRP/race/dna.htm

    Heres a video of what chink scientists discovered in regards to this. I'll add some more links later to this post.
  • NegrophobeNegrophobe Regular
    edited November 2010
    Actually most DNA can be traced back to Africa, it doesn't mean anything in any case... the term African =/= negroid.

    I'm still open to the idea the OOA theory may be wrong, but at the moment I'm not. Seriously, read up on Carleton Coon.
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