The cultural revolution

DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
edited March 2011 in Spurious Generalities
Although the bourgeoisie has been overthrown, it is still trying to use the old ideas, culture, customs, and habits of the exploiting classes to corrupt the masses, capture their minds, and endeavor to stage a comeback. The proletariat must do just the opposite: It must meet head-on every challenge of the bourgeoisie in the ideological field and use the new ideas, culture, customs, and habits of the proletariat to change the mental outlook of the whole of society. At present, our objective is to struggle against and crush those persons in authority who are taking the capitalist road, to criticize and repudiate the reactionary bourgeois academic "authorities" and the ideology of the bourgeoisie and all other exploiting classes and to transform education, literature and art, and all other parts of the superstructure that do not correspond to the socialist economic base, so as to facilitate the consolidation and development of the socialist system.

The cultural revolution under Mao Tse Tung was a program from 1966 to 1969 which was aimed at destroying the culture of the bourgeoisie that still remained even after Mao took power. I believe it to be an important aspect that all socialist countries should strive for.

One criticism of communism is that human nature prevents it from working. This is a valid argument but it's solution is obvious. How can true Socialism flourish with the culture of capitalism remaining intact? Things such as churches and capitalist art as well as intellectuals who refuse to accept socialism can't remain if Socialism is to work. The outdated ideals o capitalism need to be purged from the country.

If the reminders and underlying feelings of the old way are destroyed then you can begin to reshape human nature. In schools old ideas must be thrown out and socialism should be taught from an early age to firmly implant socialist ideals in the youth. In short we need to re educate the masses. This would lead to the deaths of people but sometimes a small evil is needed or a great good.

Pol Pot was another leader who realized this same truth. this is why he eliminated all the idols and ideals o the old way and attempted to transform society as a whole. unfortunately he managed this poorly and combined with the invasion from North Vietnam it failed but the idea is still relevant to this day.

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  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited February 2011
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited February 2011
    The cultural revolution under Mao Tse Tung was a program from 1966 to 1969 which was aimed at destroying the culture of the bourgeoisie that still remained even after Mao took power. I believe it to be an important aspect that all socialist countries should strive for.

    One criticism of communism is that human nature prevents it from working. This is a valid argument but it's solution is obvious. How can true Socialism flourish with the culture of capitalism remaining intact? Things such as churches and capitalist art as well as intellectuals who refuse to accept socialism can't remain if Socialism is to work. The outdated ideals o capitalism need to be purged from the country.

    If the reminders and underlying feelings of the old way are destroyed then you can begin to reshape human nature. In schools old ideas must be thrown out and socialism should be taught from an early age to firmly implant socialist ideals in the youth. In short we need to re educate the masses. This would lead to the deaths of people but sometimes a small evil is needed or a great good.

    Pol Pot was another leader who realized this same truth. this is why he eliminated all the idols and ideals o the old way and attempted to transform society as a whole. unfortunately he managed this poorly and combined with the invasion from North Vietnam it failed but the idea is still relevant to this day.

    :facepalm:

    Pol Pol eliminated an estimated 7.1 million people. In terms of percentage of population eliminated the Khmer Rouge was the most lethal regime of the last century.

    As far as your admittance to the fact that socialism/communism can't work due to human nature at least you have learned to learn. But what you have yet to learn is that the human nature which prevents it transcends "idols and ideals", it is in our very spirit. It is called freedom...
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited February 2011
    :facepalm:

    Pol Pol eliminated an estimated 7.1 million people. In terms of percentage of population eliminated the Khmer Rouge was the most lethal regime of the last century.

    As far as your admittance to the fact that socialism/communism can't work due to human nature at least you have learned to learn. But what you have yet to learn is that the human nature which prevents it transcends "idols and ideals", it is in our very spirit. It is called freedom...

    I wouldn't classify as Pol Pot as an ordinary communist. He was more of a mix of primitivism and communism and I agree that a lot of what Pol Pot did was wrong in a lot of ways but a few of his ideas were correct. One of those ideas being Year zero but only in the sense pf it advocating a completely new society devoid of the old way of thinking. Other than that year zero was a clusterfuck.

    I also don't "admit communism can't work due to human nature'. I think it can work but human nature does prevent a problem. However it's a problem which can be fixed. It just prevents communism from happening overnight like Pol Pot attempted.
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited February 2011
    Seriously? Are you suggesting that a political theory which is only 163 years old and has yet to produce a successful real world example is capable of over coming millions of year of evolutionary programing?
  • angryonionangryonion Just some guy
    edited February 2011
    If you want a cultural revolution start here.
    https://the-movement.info/joomla/
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited February 2011
    angryonion wrote: »
    If you want a cultural revolution start here.
    https://the-movement.info/joomla/

    I clicked on this half expecting a swf of someone shitting themselves "The-movement". :p
  • dr rockerdr rocker Regular
    edited March 2011

    The cultural revolution under Mao Tse Tung was a program from 1966 to 1969 which was aimed at destroying the culture of the bourgeoisie that still remained even after Mao took power. I believe it to be an important aspect that all socialist countries should strive for.

    You do realise this 'class' war came from dialectical materialism within marxism which was a direct product of the Calvanist ideal that war was a neccicary step to salvation?

    War and conflict being neccicary to improve everything.

    Lutherinism and Calvinism especially promoted war and conflict as a way of ridding the world of sin and promoted the ideal that 'if you are not fighting a war against something, you are doing the devils work'.

    The original ideal was taken and bastardised to fit the ideas of marx.

    But you would already know this I assume?
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited March 2011
    dr rocker wrote: »
    You do realise this 'class' war came from dialectical materialism within marxism which was a direct product of the Calvanist ideal that war was a neccicary step to salvation?

    War and conflict being neccicary to improve everything.

    Lutherinism and Calvinism especially promoted war and conflict as a way of ridding the world of sin and promoted the ideal that 'if you are not fighting a war against something, you are doing the devils work'.

    The original ideal was taken and bastardised to fit the ideas of marx.

    But you would already know this I assume?

    I know what dialectical materialism is. It comes from Hegel and was later adapted to Marxism. Not Calvinism or Lutherans
  • dr rockerdr rocker Regular
    edited March 2011
    I know what dialectical materialism is. It comes from Hegel not calvinism.

    Ohrly?

    Dialectical materialism promotes that conflicts between social classes will happen and they are the first stage of a process that will bring about a classless utopia.

    And we have Thomas Taylor stating in 1630 'The world's peace is the keenest war against God'. Meaning 'war is a neccicary step to spiritual salvation'. The seeds were cast many, many years before Hegal. He took the idea, changed it to suit and passed it on. It was a rebranding exercise - take something people already believe, change it to suit the opinion you are giving and hope they fall for it.

    You see, dialectical materialism is nothing more than a straw man. It is one of the oldest tricks in the book - take some ones belief, dress it in a cloak of ones own making and hope they like the cut of the cloth.
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited March 2011
    dr rocker wrote: »
    Ohrly?

    Dialectical materialism promotes that conflicts between social classes will happen and they are the first stage of a process that will bring about a classless utopia.

    And we have Thomas Taylor stating in 1630 'The world's peace is the keenest war against God'. Meaning 'war is a neccicary step to spiritual salvation'. The seeds were cast many, many years before Hegal. He took the idea, changed it to suit and passed it on. It was a rebranding exercise - take something people already believe, change it to suit the opinion you are giving and hope they fall for it.

    You see, dialectical materialism is nothing more than a straw man. It is one of the oldest tricks in the book - take some ones belief, dress it in a cloak of ones own making and hope they like the cut of the cloth.

    How does class warfare in any way relate to war for spiritual salvation? Just because they both have to do with conflict for utopia doesn't mean anything. They have similarities but it's not the same theory.
  • dr rockerdr rocker Regular
    edited March 2011
    They have similarities but it's not the same theory.

    Just like how modern physics uses the work of Newton. Had Newton not existed, and no one undertaken the work and observations he did, we would have no atom bomb.

    The latter is based on the work of the former. It is like saying leninsm has nothing whatsoever to do with marx.
  • Darth BeaverDarth Beaver Meine Ehre heißt Treue
    edited March 2011
    dr rocker wrote: »
    You see, dialectical materialism is nothing more than a straw man. It is one of the oldest tricks in the book - take some ones belief, dress it in a cloak of ones own making and hope they like the cut of the cloth.

    Just like Rome (the one with the Pope not the one with the Caesar) did to all the pagan peoples of Europe and elsewhere.
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