Hitler was a Socialist Revolutionary

DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
edited March 2011 in Spurious Generalities
The whole of National Socialism is based on it. Look at the workers' sports clubs, the industrial cells, the mass demonstrations, the propaganda leaflets written specially for the comprehension of masses; all these new methods of political struggle are essentially Marxist in origin. All that I had to do was take over these methods and adapt them to our purpose. I had only to develop logically what Social Democracy repeatedly failed in because of its attempt to realise its evolution within the framework of democracy. National Socialism is what Marxism might have been if it could have broken its absurd and artificial ties with a democratic order. ... there is more that binds us to Bolshevism than separates us from it. There is, above all, genuine, revolutionary feeling, which is alive everywhere in Russia except where there are Jewish Marxists. I have always made allowance for this circumstance, and given orders that former Communists are to be admitted to the party at once. The petit bourgeois Social-Democrat and the trade-union boss will never make a National Socialist, but the Communist always will
-Adolf Hitler

The idea that Hitler was a right winger and the fact that so many Socialists reject him and say he was evil is completely ridiculous. Sure he was not a Marxist but the similarities in Nazi Germany and something like Stalins Russia are plentiful. Both systems sought to destroy the old order and bring about a new Socialist system. Both tried to create a new man. if you actually read the policies of Nazi Germany you will see that they were socialists not Fascist like so many idiots claim.

Both countries were opposed to Capitalism and both put great importance on Social and economic justice. Both countries had universal healthcare. As far as nationalism goes it was present with the Nazis but it is also present in many communist leaders such as Kim Il sung, Ho Chi Mihn and Stalin.

The Nazis were NOT the same as Fascism like Italy had. It is my belief that the world would be better off had Stalin and Hitler worked together to destroy capitalism and democracy. All true Socialist revolutionary's should admire Hitler and the soviet union. In fact Stalin always admired Hitler until the day he died.

My main issue with the Nazis is that they stupidly focused on the Jewish question. They didn't realize that the Jewish problem in reality was and is the same as the bourgeois problem. although Nationalism is important the Judeo obsessive policies o the Nazis were retarded. Instead of going after the Jews it would have been better to attack and focus on bourgeois as a whole which is why Stalin and Lenin were the better leaders.

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  • KraneKrane Regular
    edited March 2011
    Communism is a philosophy that espouses universal brotherhood and equality (not that it worked out in practice). Nazism was essentially a movement that was based on a belief in the existence of a master race and all others were considered as inferior.

    Although don't make the mistake that just Hitler hated communism, the Weimar government was also greatly opposed to Communism. People feared it because of what it did to Russia in October 1917. They murdered members of the Russian Royal family. Not only them but the middle classes and the upper classes as well, the majority of the people (Russian had a majority or about 80-85% working class), feared Communism because they could suffer greatly.

    There was also fear of trade unions. Hitler was classed as an upper class person, being the leader of a well know political party, and so shared the fear of the Communists. He feared being overthrown and to become what he once was, a tramp living on the streets. He wanted to appeal to the public and so made his policy more anti-Communist.
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited March 2011
    Krane wrote: »
    Communism is a philosophy that espouses universal brotherhood and equality (not that it worked out in practice). Nazism was essentially a movement that was based on a belief in the existence of a master race and all others were considered as inferior.

    Although don't make the mistake that just Hitler hated communism, the Weimar government was also greatly opposed to Communism. People feared it because of what it did to Russia in October 1917. They murdered members of the Russian Royal family. Not only them but the middle classes and the upper classes as well, the majority of the people (Russian had a majority or about 80-85% working class), feared Communism because they could suffer greatly.

    There was also fear of trade unions. Hitler was classed as an upper class person, being the leader of a well know political party, and so shared the fear of the Communists. He feared being overthrown and to become what he once was, a tramp living on the streets. He wanted to appeal to the public and so made his policy more anti-Communist.

    Communism is about economic justice not racial equality. Karl Marx and Frederich Engels were both racists.

    Karl Marx on the Jewish question
    "So in Jewry we recognise a contemporary universal anti-social phenomenon, which has reached its present pitch through a process of, historical development in which the Jews have zealously co-operated. And this evil anti-social aspect of Jewry has grown to a stage at which: it must necessarily collapse."

    "The Jews have emancipated themselves in a Jewish fashion. Not only have they mastered the; power of money but - with or without the Jews - money has become a world power. The Jews have emancipated themselves by turning Christians into Jews:"

    "Money is the most zealous God of Israel and no other God can compete with him. Money debases all human Gods and turns them into goods. Money is the universal value of everything."

    "The God of the Jews has become secularised and bas become a World God. The bill of exchange is the real God of the Jews."

    "Jewry reaches its climax in the consummation of bourgeois society - and bourgeois society has reached its highest point in the Christian world."

  • edited March 2011
    don't stop make em drop
    nazis blow your cities up
    tonight they gonna fight
    till they give in to the reich
  • jaconjacon Acolyte
    edited March 2011
    Hmmm, here's what I believe in.
    Communism was growing in Europe and Hitler knew it, so he, being the smart guy he was (because, he was smart, a complete stupid, racist, piece of shit fuck, but very clever) thought to himself "oh shit what if workers actually start with a revolution, I mean, they have some very bad working conditions. FUCK, I know what I should do, I will incorporate the aspects that favor the masses in my political system". And with that you ended up with this text.
    Also it wouldn't be the first time, Mussolini did the same thing with his Carta Laborale (or something).

    And about Stalin, I don't know much about the history of the USSR or communism but to me he was always the douchebag, I mean, Lenin was a cool guy, so was Trotsky, Stalin was just the dude who somehow got the power in his hands (most likely by being a backstabbing bitch, but then again I really don't know much about the history of USSR) and with that started abusing it and fucking up what others had done.
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited March 2011
    jacon wrote: »
    Hmmm, here's what I believe in.
    Communism was growing in Europe and Hitler knew it, so he, being the smart guy he was (because, he was smart, a complete stupid, racist, piece of shit fuck, but very clever) thought to himself "oh shit what if workers actually start with a revolution, I mean, they have some very bad working conditions. FUCK, I know what I should do, I will incorporate the aspects that favor the masses in my political system". And with that you ended up with this text.
    Also it wouldn't be the first time, Mussolini did the same thing with his Carta Laborale (or something).

    And about Stalin, I don't know much about the history of the USSR or communism but to me he was always the douchebag, I mean, Lenin was a cool guy, so was Trotsky, Stalin was just the dude who somehow got the power in his hands (most likely by being a backstabbing bitch, but then again I really don't know much about the history of USSR) and with that started abusing it and fucking up what others had done.

    So the guy that turned Russia into an industrialized superpower is a douche?:rolleyes: The soviet union fell because of revisionists like Khrushchev . For example I believe if Lavrenty Beria could have taken power after Stalins death the USSR would have been better off.
  • edited March 2011
    So the guy that turned Russia into an industrialized superpower is a douche?:rolleyes: The soviet union fell because of revisionists like Khrushchev . For example I believe if Lavrenty Beria could have taken power after Stalins death the USSR would have been better off.

    five year plans make you a douche
    P.S. everyone knows Beria was a capitalist who only pretended to believe in socialism to climb the ladder.
  • edited March 2011
    jacon wrote: »
    And about Stalin, I don't know much about the history of the USSR or communism but to me he was always the douchebag, I mean, Lenin was a cool guy, so was Trotsky, Stalin was just the dude who somehow got the power in his hands (most likely by being a backstabbing bitch, but then again I really don't know much about the history of USSR) and with that started abusing it and fucking up what others had done.

    Yeah, Lenin actually specifically instructed that Stalin NOT be given power after him....Stalin managed to worm his way in anyway though and then cut out the others.
  • DirtySanchezDirtySanchez Regular
    edited March 2011
    five year plans make you a douche
    P.S. everyone knows Beria was a capitalist who only pretended to believe in socialism to climb the ladder.

    you mean the same 5 year plans that created a superpower? as for what you said about Beria these were lies started by Khrushchev and other revisionist about a great socialist.
  • edited March 2011
    you mean the same 5 year plans that created a superpower? as for what you said about Beria these were lies started by Khrushchev and other revisionist about a great socialist.

    being a superpower doesn't excuse you from being a douche
    also that's the first time I've heard Khruschev accused of being a less dedicated Marxist than Beria :facepalm:
  • NegrophobeNegrophobe Regular
    edited March 2011
    Beria was a revisionist, FATTY is correct here. Hitler and Marx actually agreed on the jews, here is an interesting article detailing that.

    National socialist policy was to change all of the classes into generic "Aryans" (in actual fact he just meant Nordics) with a strict emphasis on race; poorly distincted by the National Socialists I might add, a lot of their classifications were based in political motives. The policy was to define all "Aryans" as a class and ignore the economic class distinctions. "We're all the same" was pretty much the motto, a heavy flaw as apart of socialism. But that policy only applied to people who were racially Western European / Germanic (nordic) and non-Jewish. It was strictly based on race (which isn't necessarily a bad thing), bolshevism/marxism and fascism not as much. Obviously in nations where the non-white population was very minimal, the emphasis on race wouldn't be a complete necessity.
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