Global Warming
Darth Beaver
Meine Ehre heißt Treue
I know there are many of you here who still buy into the whole global warming BS that the politicians and paid scientists have hoaxed the entire world with. So perhaps one of you "climate experts" can riddle me this.
Last year, in my area, there were a total of 27 days where the temperature was below freezing. This year, with winter not yet over, there have been 55 days where the temperature has been below freezing. That is twice as many days below freezing with more yet to come.
So how come all this global warming is not keeping my frozen ass thawed?
Discuss
Last year, in my area, there were a total of 27 days where the temperature was below freezing. This year, with winter not yet over, there have been 55 days where the temperature has been below freezing. That is twice as many days below freezing with more yet to come.
So how come all this global warming is not keeping my frozen ass thawed?
Discuss
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This bullshit is also being misold in Northern Europe where we are told the Atlantic current is shutting down and this is part of not jut global warming but climate change. This tune was sung particularly loudly when the university of east anglias (I think) email servers were hacked and 'climate change scientists' were having converstations on how to bullshit people and get more money for grants.
If their has been one huge waste of money in the last 10 years it is climate change. All we can be told by those 'in the know' is that the weather will be 'changeable'. They have been paid grant after grant for churning out this shit.
Think of the legislation and the cost of this legislation has been. The bullshit of these people. Could you, as an individual spent that money wiser? Just think, if it was a good idea to get solar panels, or maybe if they were cheaper you would. Imagine if the governments who have used global warming as a bullshit mechanism of generating income, how about if that money you payed in tax, instead of going to the government to go to scientists to tell the governemnt to tell you what to do - instead of that you got to spend it on solar panels or a windmill or something.
If that was the case, we would have actually got somewhere - but instead, your money is raped at source, in your bank account and and what you spend. Most of this tax money gets spent on pointless shit.
Global warming = pointless shit.
While not an expert, I'm just going to go ahead and assume global warming/climate change is neither instantaneous or ubiquitous. Nature is random and change happens gradually...I think it a bit naive to dismiss all the crap pumped into our atmosphere over the last hundred years or so as simply having no effect whatsoever.
I wouldn't rule it out anyway...I wouldn't panic either. Solar panels are good. Fossil fuel's days are numbered. Change is needed either way.
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=38645
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http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/jamesdelingpole/100017393/climategate-the-final-nail-in-the-coffin-of-anthropogenic-global-warming/
I don't buy into what Bob Lazar says either but what does he have to do with global warming?
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So because you had a bad blizzard global warming is obviously false? The stupidity of that statement is overwhelming.
Interesting. Would like to see more recent research done though.
And we still running out of oil either way :fap:
I am certain I can live quite comfortably without your respect. Do you have anything on topic to add?
The only reason people even consider that option (The bolded text) is that there's much more money on it's side. They do a lot of PR and buy many scientists. Only with billions and billions of dollars can you create controversy and disagreement where there really isn't any. It's the same way that tobacco companies were able to convince people for decades that their products were harmless when there was ample evidence that they weren't.
It's cold outside, so climate change isn't happening.
EDIT: Also, I'm glad to see this denial thread in the politics section, because that's what this is. Politics, not science.
I did not say climate change I said global warming. After all they only changed it to climate change when they realized nobody was buying there cooked data on global warming.
But you are right about one thing, this was never real science it has always been about the politics of money, power, and control of the masses.
http://royalsociety.org/Facts-and-fictions-about-climate-change/
LOL
Keep buying the grass they provide for your grazing pleasure.
Why don't you read it and stop being ignorant? One of the 12 bullshit points of view that it deals with is the very one you mentioned in this thread.
Nah lol
I have read it before
BAAHHHHH! Baaaaaaaah Baaaaaah!!
I appreciate the irony here.
There is no irony my friend. Just one person who buys the supplied grass for sheeple and another who thinks for himself.
Thread...Credibility...Diminishing...
What have you got to lose by remaining open to the idea of climate change? How do you know for sure it isn't happening? Are you a scientist?
Are you? No. In fact there is not one true scientist on this board. But unlike the majority of the members here I was raising children and not a child when the whole farce was first hoisted in the world. I also recall with great clarity about 40 years or more worth of winters, springs, summers, and autumns. If anything it has gotten colder over all in North America at least.
So when they started talking about "global warming" I sat up and :facepalm:.
Then when it came out that they "cooked" the data all of a sudden they stopped calling it global warming and started calling it climate change.
When you really start looking at all the money that is being made of off this hoax and who is making it then you will begin to see the truth.
So until you become a leading climatologists and do your own extensive study you can either read the "cooked" data and parrot what the puppet masters allow the scientific community to publish and the media to push. Or you can think for yourself and ask why would they want the world to believe that there is man made climate change. When you (and I mean you in the collective sense) figure out the answer to that question the truth become apparent.
See here is the thing about me. For almost 30 years I have been slightly ahead of the curve on figuring out the difference between what they tell us and what is really going on. Now I am not 100% on this, hell I may not even 50% but I don't open my mouth until I am certain that what I am about to tell others about their lies is pretty damn accurate.
For example when Reagan was calling the Soviet Union the evil empire and putting them forth as some huge threat around 1982. That same year I read a book about Lieutenant Viktor Ivanovich Belenko which was written by a ghost writer. He was the Soviet Mig 25 pilot who defected, with his MIG, to Japan (an eventually the U.S.) in 1976. When I read about the conditions the he described in the Soviet military I told any one who would listen that Regan was full of shit and the in 10 years time the Soviet Union would collapse from the unbearable economic strain of the arms race.
I was only 20 years old at the time and I was treated as if I was just some crazy foil hat wearing idiot. Nine years later, in 1991, the Soviet Union dissolved just as I had told everyone it would in 1982. Of course when I revisted with all those who had scoffed at the long haired dope smoking kid they all brushed it off as if it was no big deal and everyone saw it coming all along. So i have learned over the years to simply share my information without concern as to whether or not I am believed. I put it out there and if others want to use it to there advantage fine if not then I have lost nothing.
Since then there have been numerous other instances where the masses have bought the bullshit and I have figured out their motives and by doing so have gleaned some interesting kernels of truth. Without fail I am scoffed at and ridicules by the sheep. I have learned to love this as the louder the sheep scoff the more right time proves my hunches and educated guesses to be.
So please, ridicule and scoff all you want for I have learned to wear those verbal assaults as a mantle of inner strength and conviction in my own consul.
P.S. I know this post comes off as arrogant but I just tell it like I see it. I really don't mean to insult anyone or their intelligence. It is just that when I know I am right I will not be swayed by anything or anyone. There was a time when I doubted what I knew as it flew in the face of all conventional thinking. But by not following my own inner convictions and giving into the pressure to think "right" I met with many hardships. It was not until I learned to keep my own consul and hold to my inner convictions in the face of all ridicule that life got easy for me. So please excuse the apparent arrogance and know that in truth it is only the rock solid courage to keep to my own course.
TL;DR
Maybe post something to back up your point of view? Anything?
I already did I am sorry if it does not meet your standards. Wait, no I'm not, like I already stated, it is enough for me that I know. Unless you mean to post a link to something someone else or some puppet organization has posted elsewhere on the internet as you did. In that case thank you for the invitation. Just keep your eyes open for the next 20 years and remember that the mainstream "media" and most sanctioned (government funded/subsidized) research organization will present their findings in the light they need to in order to keep the money coming in.
But you are young (no using that as part of any argument just stating a fact) and quite sure of everything. Where as I am old and have learned to doubt what I think I know until I know I know it.
So believe as you will on this issue but I know man is not causing climate change. One hint I will leave you with is the following;
Solar Weather
Enjoy your beliefs. :thumbsup:
http://www.foxnews.com/scitech/2010/02/15/global-warming-insignificant-years-admits-uks-climate-scientist/
http://oregoncatalyst.com/6440-globa...in-the-uk.html
Why did they lie about the weather forecasts if global warming is such a truth?
I also suggest you read up on "climategate". Here is the wiki page on it.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Climatic_Research_Unit_email_controversy
Part 4 of the PDF deals with Solar Weather. :facepalm:
If you read it, you'll learn something. If not, you'll just keep posting nonsense and look silly.
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Again. Read the article before you cite it. The scientists involved in "Climategate" have been exonerated. No wrongdoing, misrepresentation or "Cooking" of data was found to have taken place.
Like I said keep believing whatever you wish. But someday you will realize the ride you are being taken for.
So you aren't a scientist? Then why are you telling us this as fact? A bit pretentious and silly, no? And unless you've done some form of climatology course in the past, your age and resulting 'wisdom' means absolute squat.
I'm not a scientist. I said that in my first post in this thread. This is also the reason I don't commit fully to either view. Instead, I listen to the thousands of experts on the topic, while remaining open to the notion that it may not happen. Pretending you know this for fact when you clearly don't is a pointless exercise in conceit.
Also, reading that wall of text, there is nothing there to give you credibility on the topic. It's just a big wall of wank where you don't actually say anything useful, or credible. Just talk about how you've 'known' about some completely unrelated events in the past.
Are you a leading climatologist? Please show me your extensive studies!!! That's what we want! Or are you just so self-conceited you think you know better than climatologists? Dismissing thousands of scientists opinions on this simply because you THINK this is a government conspiracy is naive and ignorant....And really there is no point arguing with somebody who completely denies facts without consideration when put in front of them.
In other words you have absolutely nothing to back your claims.
I don't need to prove what I know. It is enough that I know it. I am not trying to change your mind. I am only sharing what I know. If that is not good enough for you I can live with that.
Actually, you do need to prove what you know if you want to be taken seriously, or at least you need some depth to your argument other than 'I know, you don't, that is all'. That is a seriously weak argument.
FON, I don't need to prove anything. You may need this from me, but trust me, I really do not posses that need. Also I am not arguing, that would imply that I am trying to change your mind. As I have already stated that is not my goal. My only goal ITT is to generate discussion by sharing what I know to be true.
If you disagree that is fine. I will not try to convince you otherwise. So please feel free to doubt me but you will not draw me into an argument just to satisfy some need on your part.
Peace.
So you can't prove anything? Do you understand how pointless it is to tell people crap when you have absolutely nothing to back your claims?
No, I am sorry I don't. As I already stated the point was to generate discussion. This is not the science forum it is the politics forum. In my opinion and in the opinion of at least one other user ITT global warming is more politics than it is science.
So please either get back to sharing your opinions on global warming, make a thread in the appropriate forum to discuss what you would like, or find another thread to post in. This one has gone far enough off topic.
Thanks.
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I'm done here.
Also, dont remember who posted it but citing wikis and fox news is never a good thing.
Now, on my opinion, I do believe it may be happening, but I don't buy into all the huge problem they make of it. As I stated on a older post about the same subject (DirtySanchez's I believe), its all earth cycles, the problem is, we might be accelerating it, or not, there is no absolute proof at the moment.
also, to back up my argument:
http://articles.cnn.com/2007-07-11/tech/globalwarming.overview_1_average-surface-temperature-warming-united-nations-intergovernmental-panel?_s=PM:TECH
http://www.dailygalaxy.com/my_weblog/2009/06/is-global-warming-part-of-earths-natural-cycle-mit-team-says-yes.html
All you have to do is follow the money when it comes to global warming. Take Al Gore for example. He recently bought himself a new mansion off the profits from his movie. You don't think a guy like him has an ulterior motive on this? Here is another interesting article on global warming.
http://www.globalwarminghysteria.com/ten-myths-of-global-warming/
And Al Gore was one of the many people I was referring to when I said follow the money. I am used to people sliding when I mention things like I have ITT. I have seen people do it to me for the last 30+ years.
The sheer complexity of the deceit surrounding the individuals and organizations perpetrating this hoax boggles the mind, even for the most perceptive among us. Most people react with disbelief and skepticism when you mention the truth, unaware that they have been indoctrinated to react with skepticism by institutional and media influences.
De-programmer Fritz Springmeier says that most people have built in "slides" that short circuit the mind's critical examination process when it comes to certain sensitive topics. "Sliding", according to Springmeir is a CIA term for a conditioned type of response which dead ends a person's thinking and terminates examination of the subject at hand. For example, if you mention the word conspiracy it often solicits a slide response with many people.
So knowing that I have refused ITT to waste time arguing with those who have been conditioned to slide when the mainstream view of things is challenged.
But thanks for the information and time you took to provide it. :thumbsup:
That is an easily made misunderstanding. Global warming and climate change are basically synonymous with each other. The globe's average temperature rising is what will influence the climate's change.
It would also be wrong to think the world is going to become an incredibly hot place. This shows a fundamental misunderstanding of global warming and it's effects.
For example, ice melting in the poles will see a change in salt density of the ocean. The gulf stream relies on salt levels to keep it functioning as it currently does (can explain more if need be). A decrease in salt density makes the current move slower. This has already been recorded for a decade or so I believe...Now, the gulf stream is responsible for keeping parts of Europe (western and northern) warmer than they otherwise would be. If the stream was slowed enough and warm water stopped reaching europe at it's normal pace, significant cooling would proceed. Even though it's global warming, an ice age might not be too far off the mark.
You're right, the greenhouse effect only really causes temperatures to rise in a lab setting. IRL, it's bullshit. :facepalm:
Sarcasm fails to prove much besides your inability to enter the conversation with anything more than regurgitated cooked data from sources that have already been shown to be biased.
I guess you are a bit young to recall with any clarity the hole in the ozone scam. Humans were destroying the ozone 30 years ago. Then magically, after new technology was introduced, (at an increased cost to the consumer) that problem ceased to be any sort of headline. Hmmmm....
If you understood the greenhouse effect you would know the answer to that question.
Phenomena such as this do occur naturally, but I think it incredibly naive at this point to disregard it as a mass scientific conspiracy. If anything we are increasing the speed at which these processes occur.
Another fundamental misunderstanding. Ozone holes don't 'magically' disappear unfortunately.
We still have huge holes in the ozone. Last year they reached new peaks.
EDIT 2: I believe it stopped getting reported on because they don't want to run the same story for 30 years? I'm sure it would get boring...
And also...
Lack of any evidence or supporting claims whatsoever fails to prove anything. At all.
I have posted plenty of evidence which you seem to have ignored.
Was talking to TDR.
Your articles look like bullshit to me as mine do to you. I'm sure...To say one is more biased than the other is a pointless effort.
Your response to DS is exactly why I could not be assed to post info. Your type always calls there own data evidence and any contradictory data biased or unscientific. The bottom line is you are being trolled by those who use Al Gore and others as front men.
Just like they did all those years ago with the big bad scary hole in the ozone.
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Judging by the deleted post and the row of emoticons it seems like you have something you are trying to say.